Marqez Used P.E.D.s?

Yeah Floyds ok he asks for olympic style drug testing so he agrees to be tested 7 days a week 24 hours a day upto 8 weeks before a fight hmm now wait a minute

 

Why doesnt Mayweather just

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"All these fighters are beating each other but no one has beaten Floyd Mayweather."

 

but let's not forget floyd may likely have tested positive for PED's.

 

tried to read and lost interest.

 

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Marquez is using P.E.U.'s
Performance Enhancing Urines

 

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This thread is a little short on images. I say we should fix this problem, starting now.

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You know, when Pacquiao knocked Ricky Hatton out like he did, I'm sure people were saying exactly the same thing. Ricky was one of the most popular boxers in the World, and Pacquiao just blew him away. When such a popular boxer is hurt like that, their fans are hurt too, and want answers, but this is turning into a witch hunt.

For you to state as fact that Juan is using, without evidence, is unfair to the fighter.

Yes, Heredia has a past. As he says, he was young, and stupid. He works with anti-doping agencies now. People forget he's also an excellent S&C coach, who's worked with Olympic Athletes. He got those positions in the first place because he's a good coach. A person's past does not dictate their present actions. By contrary logic, anyone who works with Victor Conte is just as suspicious. Alex Ariza worked and learned under Heredia for a time. Does that mean his fighters should be treated with the same suspicion?

As has been said here many times by rational thinking posters, if you compare Juan's body from now to, say, the Katsidis fight, you'll notice there's very little difference. A little more definition, slightly bigger biceps, but that's about it. Talk of him looking like the 'Hulk' is sensationalist nonsense. The kind of gains he made over such a long training camp focusing on weight training, are normal. Anyone who doesn't understand that, does not know what they're talking about.

And you can say, but he's 39. Sure, he is, but he's also a top Athlete who's kept himself in fantastic shape since he started boxing at 14. He's no Ricky Hatton, putting on weight between fights. His entire life has been boxing, and he's lived very healthily in accordance with that. Plus some fighters are just genetically different. Sergio Martinez, Carl Froch etc. Not everyone starts to decline soon after 32/33 years of age. Juan Manuel is clearly in that bracket. He was putting in exceptional performances at 36/37, before Heredia ever came along. Remember, this is the first time Juan has specifically trained to increase strenght and bulk his upper body.


To me the most obvious indicator that he's not using is in his performance. I'll say this first, you CANNOT use the fact that he KO'd Pacquiao as 'evidence' that he's using. If you know anything about Boxing, or indeed, physics, you'll understand why that KO happened. Solely down to skill, timing and technique. It's a moot point in any case, PEDs do not give you hands of stone.

"But JMM has never knocked Pacquiao down before!"

This is true, but he's wobbled Pacquiao several times. Add a little weight training, combined with Pacquiao's lack of S&C training for the fight, a most likely declining chin and the fact that he didn't see it coming, and you've got your knockdown. Remember, JMM has a higher KO% than Pacquiao, and he has put people down and/or out with one punch power before, contrary to what's been posted here since the fight.


It's clear JMM was visibly slower during the fight, nor did his reflexes look as sharp. With PED use should come the ability to retain those physical attributes even as you increase muscle. Fact is, Pacquiao was taking control of the fight, and doing a lot of damage. If the KO hadn't come, it's likely JMM would have lost either on points, or been stopped late. It's been stated here before that PEDs give older fighters the ability the train like a 27 year old. If that's true, he should have performed like a 27 year old in the ring, but that's just not the case. He looked an old fighter in there and what won him the fight was his ring IQ, toughness in adversity, skill, timing and technique, all employed just at the right moment. Very little to do with any physical prowess.

This is what makes him a great fighter. I find it disheartening that people want to dismiss such a masterful performance over baseless accusations. They're happy to tear down a fighter, with very little real evidence. And let's not pretend that it's not because it's Pacquiao that such a massive deal has been made over this. He's loved, and JMM isn't, outside of Mexicans and pure boxing fans who admire technical boxers in particular, like myself. People want something and someone to blame.

I understand questions being asked, but people who talk about PEDs in relation to JMM like it's fact are in the wrong. The 'evidence' FOR is working with a man with a regrettable past, who's said he's left that all behind him, and an apparent impressive physique at 39 years of age. That's it.

The evidence against is his performance in the ring which is ultimately the deciding factor in my eyes, the fact that his body in actuality has changed very little, and a clean drug test.

A little perspective.

 

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Smokin' Joe completly owning the TS and this whole thread.