What Was Jackson's Status When he Fought Jeffries?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    Glad you are back, would you now like to comment on my correcting your statement ? I'm happy to refresh your memory .


    Here is your assertion ,and below it my correction which you still have not answered.


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    Back in England in 1892, Jackson won the British Empire championship with a second-round win over Jem Smith, and then defended the title with a 10th-round knockout of Frank Slavin. So your wrong. Nothing new here....you remain a cartoon who thinks he who posts last wins.:hi:


    EVEN FUNNIER!!!!

    Jackson fought Jem Smith in 1889, on the 11th of November.
    NO TITLE WAS AT STAKE .Jackson was defending NOTHING when he fought Slavin.

    From July 1891 until May 1895 Smith was retired.

    What will you do now ,admit you are WRONG ?
    Or do your usual and creep away not answering.:lol::hi:

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    Seems you can find the time to come back and add zero to the discussion but not the time admit you were totally wrong .What an arsehole you are.

    No worries about you losing face, you can always put another one on.

    I'd be embarrassed for you, if I thought you had any sense of shame.:oops:
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    This is without fighting for those titles ? Some feat that.:good
     
  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    What it means is Jeffries was happy to fight a 37 years old alcoholic ,tubercular black man who had engaged in one no contest in 6 years, but he was rather less keen in fighting a near prime black man who still had a pulse. Poor old Peter Jackson ducked by three heavyweight champions and then had his corpse picked over on by the one that succeeded them.:patsch
     
  4. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Regarding whether Jackson won any title by defeating Jem Smith. Here's how National Police Gazette ranked the contenders to Sullivan's title after Jackson-Smith fight, stating who holds which title:
    1889-12-14 The National Police Gazette (New York, NY) (page 11)
    I think this was penned by its sporting editor, William Harding, and his opinion should have a lot of weight.
     
  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    Really excellent find!
    I think we can assume that Jem Smith had a better claim to be" Champion of England ",than Mitchell. However Jackson beating him would not make Jackson the English Champion , because by definition he would have to have been, not only born in England , but be an Englishman. We have Jackson considered as the number three heavyweight in the world behind Sullivan the Champ ,and ex champ Kilrain , I note this is dec 1889.

    Thanks once again for this info.:good
     
  6. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    As I said, I think he claimed the title. :good
     
  7. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Charley Mitchell wrote to a friend in USA:
    "Kilrain fit and well can whip Jackson to a moral certainty. I saw the Smith-Jackson fight and am convinced that Smith has turned a rank cur."
     
  8. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    Interesting, Mitchell was known as a very good street fighter.
     
  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    This is my homage to a great poster whose insight and knowledge we have been deprived of. Apparently any thread made questioning his whereabouts will also be deleted. I will leave it to my gentle reader to know the identity this man. And wherever you are this holiday season, celebrate him with a toast and know that your life is less fulfilled without him.
     
  10. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thanks for this article. It puts a pretty clear view of the rankings of the top 20 fighters of the time. One of the most interesting articles i have read.
     
  11. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    McVey,

    You’re not the sharpest knife in the draw, so I’ll try to make this easy for you to understand. Both the Aussie heavyweight title and the British Empire title were more important than the colored title in the 1890’s. Jackson held all three titles.
    Check page 17 of this fine link which mentions Jackson was the British Empire champion after he defeated Smith. Later on Jackson meet Slavin with the lineal title for the British Empire on the line.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=Ku...ackson vs slavin british empire title&f=false
     
  12. mcvey

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    Lets examine this "fine link" of yours. It states that Jackson fought Salvin, yes that's right Salvin,on April 30th 1890 in the NSC which for your information was in Covent Garden London UK. In 1890 Jackson was in the US the entire year, he fought Denver Ed Smith on the 19th of May, 11 days before this link says he defended his Empire title against "Salvin" . Jackson fought Slavin in 1892.

    If Jackson was defending his" Empire title", as you say,who did he beat for it?


    N.B. When Jackson beat Jem Smith in 1889 ,Smith had no titles and was 6-0-2
    Slavin by the way ,was never the Empire Champ either, he could reasonably claim to be the Australian champ since he had beaten Mick Dooley in dec 1888 in a bout billed for that title but thats it.

    This "fine thread" of yours states that" Salvin" was a sometime pupil of Jackson's this again is amusing since Slavin hated coloured people and originally refused to fight Jackson.

    It further states that Jackson's manager was Jim Fitzpatrick when Jackson fought Jim Corbett , Jacksons manager then was Charles" Parson" Davies, in fact Fitzpatrick was NEVER Jackson's manager. Fine sight that.:patsch
    The man that wrote this twaddle knows as much on the subject as you do ,in other words JACK ****.:lol:

    A word of advice when using expressions like , " not the sharpest knife in the drawer," as away of casting aspersions on the intelligence of your protagonist, it is as well to be able to actually spell the word DRAWER
    not DRAW:patsch

    Now can we get back to you stating that Jackson kod Smith in 1892 thus winning the Empire title. When ,as I pointed out Jackson fought Smith in 1889.?

    THIS WAS THREE YEARS EARLIER, WHEN SMITH HELD NO TITLE, AND, THUS WAS NOT DEFENDING ONE WHEN HE FOUGHT SLAVIN IN 1892.
    WILL YOU NOW ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG??????

    WAITING
     
  13. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The National Sporting Club held bouts at Covent Garden. Of course, no bouts could be fought at the NSC in 1890, since the club was only founded in 1891. A typo.
     
  14. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    You are correct as usual ,but Mendoza won't admit he is wrong ,he is incapable of it.
     
  15. Unforgiven

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    Was he claiming to be British empire champion or not ?

    Let's be clear, he didn't have to defeat anyone in particular to claim that title. He beat fighters from the british Empire, was a subject of the empire himself, and could have claimed that title quite reasonably since he would have been considered at some time the supreme fighter outside of America by just about anyone anyway.