How exactly is Sugar Ray Robinson the Greatest?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Inquisitive, Dec 18, 2012.


  1. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Embarrassing that you should say that, I. My only presumption is you drew that conclusion from perusing BoxRec. alone, and all Sugar's losses to guys who would have been no more that sparring partners at his peak.

    Had you you seen Sugar fight live as a welter in the '40s (as I did), you'd quickly release why he's revered.
     
  2. Inquisitive

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    The reason they have so many wins is because they were fighting illegitimate opponents. The talent pool in boxing isn't as saturated as you probably think it is. They had a high turn around rate because they basically fought anybody, regardless of skill.
     
  3. Inquisitive

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    Convenient excuse. Whenever a boxing favorite gets beaten (exposed), his fans will insist that he was out of his prime and never would've lost if the fight took place between a certain time period that they come up with.
     
  4. Inquisitive

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    I don't mind you calling him great, but to deny his record is padded is a sign of intellectual dishonesty on your part.

    He has a handful of good wins. However, most were just drunken bums that stumbled into the ring.
     
  5. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    :yikes
     
  6. Inquisitive

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    :patsch

    Has nothing to do with Robinson and I wasn't talking about legitimate in the official sense. I meant a credible opponent.

    Neither do most boxing fans. You watch a few VHS tapes and a Youtube video here and there. Then you come here and act knowledgeable.
     
  7. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    Per boxrec. The second peak is the 1950s era

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  8. Inquisitive

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    Standards must be pretty low if a guy 50-24 is top 10. :lol::lol:
     
  9. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    Idk, bro. Why is Anderson Silva or Fedor considered amongst the greatest MMA fighters of all time?
    Anderson Silva.. 33 wins, 4 losses
    He lost to an unknown guy from Brazil with 15-10 record
    Got chocked out by trash Jap Daiju Takase.. with 10 wins 13 losses.. LMFAO
    Submitted by another trash Jap Ryo Chonan.. who has 20-13 record
    His best win is probably Dan Henderson.. who has a record of 29 wins 8 losses journeyman record.

    Now let's move on to Fedor.
    34 wins 4 losses
    Beat a bunch of journeymen with losing record.. best wins is Nog.. who has 34 wins, 7 losses.. got ko'd by nobodies.. and never even competed in UFC.
     
  10. Inquisitive

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    A chart about the number of bouts had proves what exactly? :rofl

    Quality over quantity.
     
  11. Vysotsky

    Vysotsky Boxing Junkie banned

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    He got a bull**** SD win against an ancient, washed up, post war Georgie Abrams that he actually lost in his 78th fight. He also avoided Burley, Williams, Lytell, old Cocoa Kid

    Langford & Greb definitely rate higher and guys like Britton, Benny Leonard, Kid Lewis, Armstrong, Walker arguments could be made
     
  12. megavolt

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    You talked about saturation of participating athletes. I'm guessing you don't know a thing about statistics anyway so I wouldn't bother :rofl
     
  13. BagsWithDust

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    you just have to look at it this way, guys back in those days fought almost on a week to week basis while fighters today fight month to month sometimes fighting 3-4 times year. It's impressive just to see that these guys fight so much and have little recovery time, can you see fighters today doing that? Yeah maybe most of those guys are bums but robinson did beat some big names as well.

    Overall you just have to look at the hard work and determination it took back then to make it to the top. If you look at it this way, robinson beat fighters after fighters week to week earning his way to the top
     
  14. You listen and you listen real good see...

    Just because you don't know **** about boxing history doesn't mean it didn't occur. Boxers back in the day actually fought the best in their division on a regular basis. Hell not even on a regular basis... they fought once a month or every 2 weeks because they got paid in pebbles.

    Oh, you never heard of those guys? You DKSAB.
    Oh, their records had LOSSES on them?! You DKSAB.

    Inquisitive DKSAB. :deal
     
  15. Inquisitive

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    :patsch

    1) New sport, not a big enough pool to choose from
    2) If 29/8 is journeyman, what's 50/24 (one of Robinson's opponents)? Henderson was a journeyman (like Sonnen used to be). He's improved immensely.

    Also; Anderson Silva and Fedor have incredibly padded records.