How exactly is Sugar Ray Robinson the Greatest?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Inquisitive, Dec 18, 2012.


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  1. ron u.k.

    ron u.k. Boxing Addict banned

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    Looks like we have another boxrec expert.Opinion by numbers.
     
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  2. Vysotsky

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    The years aren't listed, when exactly were the first and second peaks? 30's and 50's?
     
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  3. Box702

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    Bums back then were far better than ones today,matter fact far better they actually worked much harder & earned every cent.That being said 95% You're stretching it he's got tons of great & solid fighters in his resume.Fought/beat about 20+ champions & 10 H.O.F.S. He's considered the greatest ever & being elite for so long in Boxing Golden era proves it even more.
     
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  4. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    Yes (but more like 25-35 and 45-55's). The red are the actual documented bouts, the black dots are estimations of the true amount, as lost records continue to be found (and applied)

    1850s: 7
    1860s: 54
    1870s : 298
    1880s: 4,150
    1890s: 14,459
    1900s: 29,596
    1910s: 76,724
    1920s: 220,784
    1930s: 222,433
    1940s: 184,987
    1950s: 145,819
    1960s: 97,965
    1970s: 98,789
    1980s: 128,534
    1990s: 138,491
    2000s: 182,858
    2010s: 42,950
     
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  5. Inquisitive

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    I talked about a field saturated with talented boxers. Your chart doesn't distinguish.
     
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  6. Inquisitive

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    Memo Ayon is GOAT.
     
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  7. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    Yes, which stems from the participation rate. As I suspected, you couldn't statistically make the connection.
     
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  8. Vysotsky

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    Awesome thanks. I have always thought the MW division from 1932-42 was the strongest era ever.
     
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  9. StillWill

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    Trolol
     
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  10. DirtyDan

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    :patsch:patsch:patsch The sports been around since the early 90's and now has a huge following since early 2000's. 29/8 is a journeymen's record, Henderson is supposed to be a p4p ATG in the sport.. this is Silva's best opponent.. yet they say Silva and fedor are considered the greatest ever.. You have people like former WWE Champion Brock The Next Big Thing Lesnar who are 2-0 and win world titles. You talk about boxing yet look at how shitty the UFC is. GSP 23-2.. greatest Welterweight of all time and top 5 ATG.. :lol:
     
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  11. Inquisitive

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    :patsch

    No, it doesn't.

    More participants != higher percentage of quality boxers.
     
    Inquisitive, Dec 18, 2012
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  12. rabmag

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    So who do you REALLY think is the greatest of all time?
     
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  13. Inquisitive

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    You dodged my question. If 29/8 is journeyman, what is 50/24? And....go!

    I acknowledged that Silva and Fedor's records are both padded, so your point is moot. Thanks for trying. I don't make excuses on either side. Consistency; try it some time. :hi:
     
    Inquisitive, Dec 18, 2012
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  14. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My guess, I, is youre a young man basing your opinion soley on BoxRec. True?

    What's your opinion of Fritzie Zivic, who's acknowledged to be a legend, 'n lost 65 times? Why is he thought so highly of by the best boxing minds in the game?

    Before you demean Ray Robinson ('n publicly look foolish), go to a hard core gym and speak to veteran trainers and get their opinions (or don't they qualify?)
     
    john garfield, Dec 18, 2012
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  15. lufcrazy

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    The only man who holds gavilans losses against him is a man who hasn't watched the fight.

    The only man who thinks srr has a padded record is a man who needs banning.

    Sort this **** out mods.
     
    lufcrazy, Dec 18, 2012
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