Slappers hit as hard as punchers and humans have been boxing since day 1!

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  1. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Less bruising, less chance of damaging bones. Its a good way to mitigate using force. :deal
     
  2. BoxingAnalyst

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    :rofl
     
  3. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No you didn't unless they were steaming drunk!
     
  4. lordgore

    lordgore Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :deal I've used slaps in the past,hit someone right and they drop like a sack of spuds,been slapped myself and it ****ing hurts!
     
  5. lordgore

    lordgore Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Cup your hand and you can quite easily slap someone into unconsciousness.
     
  6. widdy

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    my wife slaps me,it ****ing hurts, especially around the ears,***** gets me every time:bbb
     
  7. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    U can't ko someone with a slap, it may sting but u arnt going to put them asleep
     
  8. lordgore

    lordgore Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Cup your hand and hit someone behind the ear,knockout.
    Sure it's not an open palm slap but still considered a slap.
    Might not work all the time mind,but there's a good chance it will.
     
  9. dftaylor

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    That's not quite right, sir. A pound of feathers landing on your head from, say, 100ft will do the exact same as the pound of lead. It will knock you cold.

    The lead might create more surface damage, like cuts or serious bruising, but the actual force will be identical. Chances are it would do the same amount of actual damage under the surface.
     
  10. Quinton_Mob

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    A pound of lead would fall a lot faster
     
  11. dftaylor

    dftaylor Writer, fanatic Full Member

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    Em... no it won't if they both weigh a pound! It's the SAME weight!

    Even if they were different weights and had different surfaces, etc, they would fall at the exact same speed UNLESS there's an additional force pushing it faster than the speed that gravity creates, or the air resistance slows one down.

    It amazes me that people think otherwise - especially considering the scientific theory has been around for nearly 400 years.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/learningzone/clips/which-falls-faster/1868.html

    From about 2m50 in the below explains why.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mCC-68LyZM[/ame]
     
  12. MattMattMatt

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    Now we are getting into aerodynamics, which has next to nothing to do with fist v slap.

    The lead v feathers thing is an extreme example, and doesn't translate well to this. A pound of lead will have a considerably higher density, i.e. smaller size for its weight, so will have less air resistance - hence higher terminal velocity. A pound of feathers would just separate and float all over the place. If the feathers were in a sealed plastic bag, they would still have a different effect on a human due to the length of time that it takes for the transfer of momentum of the bag to the person's head. A rapid transfer of momentum creates a more sudden change in velocity in the head (i.e. ideal for KO).

    To translate that to slap v punch. A slap is 'slightly' more cushioned than a punch, so even with the same momentum behind it, the transfer of momentum would take place over slightly different lengths of time. With that in mind, all other things being equal, I don't think it is unreasonable to expect that a punch would be slightly more likely to result in a KO.
     
  13. dftaylor

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    All things being equal, if a punch was thrown with the exact same speed and force, they would land at the same time. The distribution of the impact would be different, and depending where the blow struck could knock someone out.

    http://www.turtlepress.com/articles/what-causes-a-knockout.aspx
     
  14. Quinton_Mob

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    A pound of feathers condescend into the same size as a pound of lead then yes. But a pound of feathers in say a big net would not for more forces pushing up against it
     
  15. MattMattMatt

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    I agree, the punches would land at the same time, but I was never really concerned with that (which is why I said the lead v feathers thing was an extreme example that didn't translate well to what we were discussing). The link you provided states what I was referring to with the rate of the transfer of momentum (i.e. the acceleration in the object being hit) at the top of the second paragraph:

    "Primarily, it is the acceleration or rapid movement of the head that produces concussive effects."