How does your current P4P top 10 look

Silva



GSP
Jones
Aldo
Edgar
Hendricks
Bendo
Johnson
Barao
Hendo

 

Am I the only guy who has Georges as a clear number one then?
The top 3 writes itself, but for me GSP is the consummate Mixed Martial Artist. I guess he's taking a bit of flak due to his finish rate, but his resume shits on every one else in MMA. Talent wise maybe Anderson takes it, but GSP and Jones fight better guys more regularly, and if size wasnt a factor Id favour both to beat him as they are the most effective wrasslers in the business.

Isnt that what P4P is all about?

 

I may have to overlook my list because in the end, it comes down to the individual, and not who holds the belt (Demetrius Johnson, Renan Barao)

:!:

 

I get you win, but GSP for me simply has been fighting better guys. Id rank beating very good fighters in your own weight class above beating journeymen in the division above, no matter how impressively. And at 185, it's no fault of Silva's but 185 is very weak.

To sum it up, GSP is a 9 out of 10 guy at every facet of MMA whilst Silva is a 10/10 guy in stand up in a division where Bisping and Stann are top strikers...He'd have to beat Jones to top Georges achievements for me

 

I don't know, can't argue with that. Respect.

 

You won't find me arguing about Machida-Gustafsson, Lyoto is a level or two above that guy and would simply pick his moments and lash him to defeat, no sweat.

But that's not really the issue here, the issue is that even though I am a massive Machida fan, he is one of my top 5 active fighters, possibly top two, the fact is that objectively he doesn't merit a p4p placing right at this moment in time, despite (in my opinion) being one of the top 10 fighters in the world on ability.

Objectively, Lyoto's last 5 fights are:

- Bader (win over a guy who is not top 10, a C-class guy talent-wise)
- Jones (OK Lyoto won the 1st round but he was finished in the 2nd)
- Couture (win over a pretty much shot fighter who got a gift against Vera the last time he fought a top 20 lhw, which was a long time earlier anyway)
- Rampage (I believe Lyoto won the fight, but regardless, he was unconvincing and largely unimpressive against a well, well past-prime version of Quinton)
- Shogun (brutally TKO'd)

Two fairly decent wins, two pretty brutal losses, and a thoroughly 'meh' performance against an old worn 'Page.

This simply is not p4p form at all, if indeed you value objectivity and form when it comes to p4p rankings.

The last time Lyoto turned in a convincing winning performance against a genuinely top fighter in his division was May 2009 against Rashad.

That's just too long ago to maintain his position. Too many other guys (like Johny Hendricks, like Renan Barao, like Carlos Condit) have been taking clear wins over bona fide top guys in their divisions recently for Lyoto to have any possible claim of parity with them.

 

I wouldn't really argue with someone who has GSP as #1, it's a perfectly valid call as I see it. I personally rank Anderson higher for the following reasons:

- Anderson's last 3 fights before Bonnar were ridiculously impressive for me. A once-in-a-lifetime KO of world-class Vitor Belfort (who had NEVER been finished like that in his long, long career), a humiliating beatdown and finish of a genuine top 5 fighter in Okami, and the revenge TKO of the undisputed #1 contender Chael Sonnen where he showed good TDD in that 2nd round and then seemed to take Sonnen's soul, turning him bitchlike. To me, this is more form deserving of the p4p#1 position than either wrestling or jabbing your way to dominant decisions. GSP is incredible, but Anderson has been spectacularly finishing top guys, and this is so important (imo)

- Anderson has effectively been undefeated since Dec 2004, he is undefeated in the UFC, undefeated in title fights, holds all the records for consecutive runs, while GSP was knocked out by Matt Serra in the UFC, and so his run of dominance is shorter and far less emphatic. If Anderson had been KO'd by someone of that calibre early on, say Marquardt or Leben, I'd probably have GSP higher now, their respective runs is a factor to take into account (not the most important one, but not to disregarded completely)

No, that isn't what I take it to be at all. JMHO.

But if Anderson and GSP do fight at a catchweight they are both comfortable at, I'd say Anderson executes GSP in savage fashion.

 

All of what you wrote is true, but this part I don't agree with.

We are talking about the current p4p list. Serra beat St-Pierre in April 2007 - more than five years ago. That isn't really too relevant to St-Pierre today. I mean, Jon Jones is top-3 p4p in pretty much everybody's opinion - when Serra KOed GSP, Jones was still more than a year away from making his professional MMA debut. A consensus top-3 p4per who has won 5 title fights has built his entire career since that Serra loss, that's how long ago it was. :good

Since Serra beat him, GSP has cleaned out a stacked division a couple of times. For years now there hasn't been a question of who The Man is in the stacked WW division - GSP's reign has been extremely emphatic.

As it happens, I rate them Anderson #1, GSP #2 and Jones #3, but that's more about Anderson's finishes and ease of victory rather than his longevity. I think that GSP and Jones have both fought consistently tougher competition, and I reckon a clear victory over Diaz will push GSP to #1 over an inactive Anderson. :good

:hat

 

1.the spider
everyone else

 

1 Spider
2. Bones
3. GSP


Then we got the rest


Edit - theres a Huge case for GSP being p4p no1 given who hes fought - the guys hes fought have been 20x tougher than the guys Andersons fought


Spider and Bones basically need to fight. They Are the two p4p mma kings, and their weight class is right next to one another lol

 

well if gsp beats diaz and hendricks then yes i cant see why not and yes spider needs to fight bones to determine the real p4p king :deal