Tor Hamer Doesn't Belong in Boxing

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  1. Sir Will Wigan

    Sir Will Wigan HLF: A Real "Fightin' Man" Full Member

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    You summed it up perfectly in less than 10 words.
     
  2. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I still think Hamer suffered some sort of injury that became more of a factor, at least in his eyes, once Glazkov started to connect with greater frequency. He didn't look comfortable at any point in the fourth, despite doing reasonably well in the first three rounds. Something caused the confidence that he had to vanish, and I don't necessarily think this was the sole result of him taking a couple of flush punches from his opponent. He had absorbed a couple in previous rounds and had borne up pretty well.

    Whatever the reason for his decision, he deserves the chance to prove that he learned from the experience and is capable of showing greater resolve going forward. If he doesn't, then so be it. If he can, then accusing him of cowardice and claiming him to be unworthy of continuing in the sport will have proved to be premature.
     
  3. Badlok

    Badlok Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hammer his a smart man with a college degree , why he would **** this up ?

    But yeah he quit too early ( boxing speacking )even if Glazcov was getting to him more and more!
     
  4. The Akbar One

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    Somebody probably told him he had to throw the fight. Why else would a guy just quit? He wasn't even getting beat up or anything.
     
  5. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh!

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    American HW's have been a joke for a long time... Hamer one of the most talked about U.S HW prospects quit on his stool after 4 rounds ON NATIONAL TELEVISION... What a joke :lol:

    Wilder is next.... Mitchell, and Hamer exposed in the last month.....
     
  6. On The Money

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    I'd never heard of this latest Ukrainian HW. I have now. :yep
     
  7. Absolutely!

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    Looked to me like he just didn't fancy it anymore once Glazkov upped the pressure. A pity, since I quite liked him, but it's clear he doesn't have anything approaching the mindset of a top professional. I'd love to be proved wrong though.

    I suppose you could make the argument that Hamer was overmatched here, despite having six more professional fights. He'd certainly do better to take on a strong of slightly lower level opponents and work on improving a number of facets of his game, namely working on establishing a sharper jab, and improving his footwork/balance, which looked markedly poor in this fight. But really, that sort of safety first mindset isn't ever going to go away.
     
  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Glazkov >>> Maidana.
     
  9. gobblock

    gobblock Boxing Addict banned

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    Seriously? He gets a ton of **** for it. The only thing that comes close to excusing it is the fact that he had a legitimate injury he arguably could have made worse by continuing. It wasn't a case of "I'm losing and can't win, I quit," or a mysterious quit like Hamer's. It's still a quit and I still hold it against him to a degree.
     
  10. hopkinsfan07

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    Irrelevant, Ortiz was taking much more damage.....Maidana was all over him with his non stop pressure and busting Ortiz up, including dropping him.
     
  11. Butch Coolidge

    Butch Coolidge Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Very perceptive, most boxing "fans" who have never boxed never figure this out and most boxing fans have never boxed.

    The KO punch in Glazkov vs Hamer came in the last seconds of the fourth round. It was a left hand to Hamer's body. The commentary guys comment that it was a borderline low blow but I don't think they had the best angle to see it. The punch came in from a steep angle and I think it may have cracked Hamer's floating ribs or sternum.

    A lot of professional boxing writers never figure that out. Most people think a fighter simply quits fighting because he doesn't throw very many punches the rest of the fight or that he quit for no reason but body punches do damage and they are thrown for a reason. Invariably, somebody always chimes in that fighters are conditioned to take it which is partially true because not all fighters quit from a few body blows BUT not all punchers or all boxers are created equally so the effects are not always the same. If your opponent was hitting you frequently with extremely hard punches, it would be more likely to cause a retirement stoppage than say some feather-fist or even modest puncher who can only land a good body punch once every 80 punches and also you can factor in that the punches are becoming less powerful and are thrown less frequently.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Hamer is still sleeping with an icebage clutched to his breadbasket. I don't think Hamer quit without a reason. He just got punched hard in the body. Maybe he ought to go to Manchester and comiserate with Hatton.


    If you watch the fight again you will notice that after that left to the body, Glazkov focuses on Hamer's body more, Hamer defends his body more and throws less punches. He doesn't throw another hard right hand in the fight.
     
  12. IntentionalButt

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    Excellent post.
     
  13. Cableaddict

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    - And they didn't find one.

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    It is certainly possible that Hamer was severely hurt, but it didn't seem that way. They never called for the ring doctor, and his corner never mentioned an injury after the fight was stopped.

    It definitely seemed like a "no mas" moment.
     
  14. J Griz 757

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    That's how I view this.
     
  15. Butch Coolidge

    Butch Coolidge Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He could still get a big fight. Maybe not a title challenge but a fight vs Chagaev or somebody like that could offer a good paycheck. A win over the right opponent and he's back in the mix.