Well, you can certainly believe that Wlad should be HW champion. I think that is reasonable. Thinking that Wlad should be HW champion "regardless of the rules" is obviously not reasonable. That is, that statement suggests that Wlad should be ruled HW champion because of special dispensation. That is not a sensible point of view. There is no way to crown Wladimir the HW champion based upon TBR rules. This, unsurprisingly, is due to the duel rule of him and his brother. For details, see here: http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/articles/15566-why-wlad-isnt-king
Saying that McGrain, he could have been crowned a champ going into the rankings just like Dawson, ward, Martinez and Igarashi all were. Before vitali had returned the top 3 was wlad, iggy and Peter. Wlad had just beaten 1 and would soon beat the other.
True, but not related to the debate at hand; Wlad needs to beat the divisional #1 contender in order to be crowned TBR champion. That's all there is to say about it really. As soon as you start retrospectively (in the sense "he was #1 contender if") crowning champions what you have to hand is a mess, instead of the total clarity we have now.
stopped buying or following the ring when they sacked the board will refer to these rankings now. keep at it takes time to get respect
In all seriousness, I love this idea, and will support as best as I can. Keep the updates coming and keep up the good work boys.
But hasn't the board already retrospectively crowned champions in the divsion? Those who were listed as champ when the rankings were released?
Yes, so I'm stressing the difference between retrospectively crowning a champion based upon what would have been the case (had Vitali not un-retired, whatever else) and retrospectively crowning champions based upon what did happen. To be clear: Wladimir Klitschko never defeated a #1 contender when he was ranked as #2 or a #2 contender when ranked as #1. This is the ONLY way a Transnational champion can be crowned. That being the case there is literally no argument for crowning him TBR champion.
Did pongsaklek? Btw I'm not being an arse here I just can't recall the origin of the flyweight lineage from top of my head.
Well I know he beat Koki who beat Naito who beat pong but pong had a long reign as champ before that and considering he never unified I'm just wondering where the lineage originated. I'm sure stoney will know as this is his bread and butter.
Looking at boxrec igarashis claim originates with Miguel canto. Whilst I don't for one second doubt he was the number 1 flyweight, did he ever beat the number 2 whilst there? Hopefully stoney can clarify.