How should 'The Ghost' go about fighting Floyd

raichu · Dec 24, 2012

i like guerrero, good fighter

nice name to put on the resume, i think his a tough fight for anyone, but floyd just cause floyd is that good.

bballchump11 · Dec 24, 2012

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I see little chance for Guerrero to win, but if I had to give him a way to do so, it would be like this:

I see Guerrero having success using a diversity of tactics, mainly centered around ambush fighting. On the one hand, Guerrero is a respectable boxer who fights well from the outside. The issue here is that Floyd has much more experience timing and seeing shots from long range, where he has an advantage. On the other hand, Guerrero has shown the tenacity and skill necessary for dirty inside fighting. And the problem there would be that Floyd is undoubtedly the superior inside fighter, having more experience and exhibiting all-time-great defensive skill in the pocket.

The solution here is to engage in one when it's convenient on Guerrero's own terms, and then switch modes before Floyd can begin to capitalize on his strengths at either range.

On the outside, what Guerrero needs to do is take small steps back and small steps forward. When coming forward, he needs to keep his hands up and work his right jab while controlling the center. He cant just follow Floyd around the perimeter and run into shots, he needs to be patient and cut off the ring efficiently. Following the right jab should be a straight left, either down the pipe or when Floyd bends to his right to avoid the right jab. Then he needs to hop out and feint and repeat the process. Doing so allows Floyd to keep guessing as to what punches may follow without being sure.

Stepping backwards is another way for Guerrero to score on the outside. Floyd usually puts his weight on the front foot when coming forward. Here, Guerrero needs to circle (away from the right) and back-step, making him reach, and knock his jab hand down anytime he tries to measure or feint with it. Anytime Floyd reaches with his punches, such as a jab to the body or a straight right that lifts up his right leg, Guerrero should come back at him and take advantage by following up with straight punches to which Floyd can only defend having put himself slightly out of position.

Choosing when to engage on the inside will be crucial as well. If he has success feinting and getting into Floyd's range, or making him reach and rushing him backwards, then he can either choose to restart the process on the outside, or take the opportunity either of these scenarios to get all up in Floyds guard. Now, Floyd is no Berto. He's going to be able to see the shots Guerrero is throwing and position his body with his forearm before letting off uppercuts to the head and body and rolling shots before countering with a straight up top. But Floyd does those things after settling into a rhythm; his priority at first is always to defend. Guerrero can take advantage of this by ambush fighting. Throw combinations, hold and hit, and then back out a bit. Stay in range, feint, feint, explode again. Exit, and resume the outside strategy.

Lots of fighters make the mistake of staying inside on Floyd, but I think more would benefit from ambush tactics that, while they may not always succeed in landing clean punches on Floyd, disrupt his rhythm and neutralize his offense without giving him time to come back right away.

(There's a really relevant GIF of Ortiz ambushing Mayweather on the ropes I want to put here, not the one leading up to the KO but an earlier exchange, can't seem to find it anywhere.)

Also, a good tactic to use on the inside for a fighter of either stance is to stick the left hand straight onto Mayweather's right glove and push it there. He rarely throws his left in the pocket unless he pushes you off first, and it's usually tucked to protect his body and chin with the shoulder. Guerrero pressing his body onto Floyd's left arm and pushing back Floyd's right glove allows him a space to land the right to the body (a part of Floyd's that's most often exposed) and explode suddenly without Floyd having that right hand completely at his disposal, before exiting again.

I repeat, I think Floyd will too easily neutralize Guerrero's straight punching and outclass Guerrero on the inside, but if he's going to have a chance, a diversity of tactics is the way to go, and treating Floyd like a puncher (as another poster alluded to) is the best way to reduce his accuracy and make your offense count more round after round, especially when your tools are technical than they are physical.
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I like this :good

Floyd is very good at adapting to his opponents and there's an old saying (I forgot what it is exactly), but it pretty much says that skill will conquer and shine after a longer period of time.
My problem with Guerrero fighting Floyd up close is if he spends all his time there, he'll be getting more and more beat up. But I like your idea. The longer he's there, the more Floyd will figure him out. Keep switching up your look and the range.

Like with Hatton, he was competitive with MAyweather at first up close, but as time went on, he got broken down, stopped and the superior fighter shined through.

bjl12 · Dec 24, 2012

Meow said: ↑

Mayweather's past 4 fights will now be an utter joke. A guy way past his prime, Victor Ortiz, Pacquiao's faded scraps, and now Guerrero
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It's funny because people said everyone was dodging Mosley prior to Floyd fighting him. Then it's, "he was too old". Victor Ortiz was coming off a career win and posed an interesting match-up with his style and power. JMM is a world class athlete (even so at 39 to put a prime Pac to sleep), Cotto fight was unnecessary imo but I enjoyed it nonetheless. Good, clean fight from two clean athletes at a weight which hindered neither but gave an obvious edge to Miguel.

If you don't think Floyd should fight Ghost, then who should he fight? Be realistic pac****.

Bogotazo · Dec 24, 2012

bballchump11 said: ↑

I like this :good

Floyd is very good at adapting to his opponents and there's an old saying (I forgot what it is exactly), but it pretty much says that skill will conquer and shine after a longer period of time.
My problem with Guerrero fighting Floyd up close is if he spends all his time there, he'll be getting more and more beat up. But I like your idea. The longer he's there, the more Floyd will figure him out. Keep switching up your look and the range.

Like with Hatton, he was competitive with MAyweather at first up close, but as time went on, he got broken down, stopped and the superior fighter shined through.
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Thanks! And I fully agree, staying in the pocket all 12 is just going to wear him out and give Floyd more opportunities. It's how I predicted Cotto might fall prey if he didn't circle more as I wanted him to.

I'm also going to have to adjust my idea of parrying Floyd's pawing left jab; it's too dangerous. In looking for the Ortiz GIF I saw one where he sticks it out and as Ortiz goes to parry it, he drops his guard for the straight right. **** that. Letting Floyd initiate the feints and exchanges will get you nowhere. Only Marquez, a great technician, Hatton, a fearless swarmer, and Judah, a super athletic speed demon have been able to take what Floyd throws at them and come back with something better. Cotto too, in a combination of textbook boxer-puncher fundamentals and grit. But at the end of the day it didn't work out for any one of them.

Robney · Dec 24, 2012

Eyes closed, go for broke and hope for the best.

Better to go out on your shield as losing a 120-108 type decision.

Bill Butcher · Dec 24, 2012

Make fmj do the leading, rough him up on the inside & use your jab for the entire fight, game over for floyd, he`d look lost & lose a decision.

The most likely outcome though is floyd by decision but I voted Guerrero by decision just for the sake of it as I`ll be rooting for him... you will need to take my word for that though as the poll is not public.

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