Greatest Middleweight once and for all- Greb? Monzon? Hagler?

sir, I can live with not responding to you. By the way when did I insult you? And what has race to do with this whole subject ? You have a right to your opinions but not to your own facts. If as you implied Harry Greb was a better P4P fighter than Monzon or Hagler [in your own words] than he was a better MW as that is what Harry Greb is defined as by historians...
And yes I will NOT waste my time with you as u WISH. Sayonara!

 

Declaring any pick for Hagler as being warped by personal bias. I'd like to think I'm a bit more objective than that.

I'm saying he achieved less in the mw division than Hagler did but achieved more overall than Hagler did.

I believe you do Greb a disservice by thinking of him as just a MW. It is my humble opinion he was even greater as a LHW.

 

Did less than Hagler did as a middleweight ? I think not. Just get a copy of "the Fearless Harry Greb", and you will see the terrific middleweights that Greb licked...Dozens of the top MWS of his early and middle years...And some of Britain's finest also...He loved to fight so he would tackle bigger men to keep busy, any size, any style, any colour to keep active....But when required he trained more to get under 160 to defend his crown...
The thread reads "Greatest MW once and for all", not who achieved more>
And Greb's MW challengers were as good if not better than you think...
Happy Holidays...

 

Greb beat middleweights in over the weight matches. People were able to distinguish between that and a true light-heavyweight contest then.

If memory serves, Jeff Smith weighed around 165 pounds for their 5/19/17 fight. But nobody considered him a "light-heavy" at that time. Just a middleweight who didn't need to meet any weight requirements.

 

This whole thread.

 

I agree with that. I give a few pounds leeway fir non title fights.

He was still better as a lhw for me.

 

achievement is a measure of greatness, as is resume and skillset. I can't argue Greb above Hagler on any of those 3 criteria under the mw limit.

Now if you're trying to argue who the greatest boxer to ever compete in the mw divsion is, well I'd say Greb is above Hagler in that category but below ray Robinson and Henry Armstrong.

 

Hagler never impressed you? Seriously? What about him didn't you like?

Not trying to be a smart-ass, genuinely curious. To me he's one of the toughest, most well-rounded fighters in recent history.

 

No, that's fair. I'm the same way with Vicente Saldivar. For the life of me, I just don't see this greatness everyone else gushes about. On film, he seems decidedly ordinary to me. I know he's great and the problem lies more with me than anything, but I just don't see it at all.

 

Hagler
Monzon
Greb

for me....

But kinda like LW

Leonard
Gans
Duran

there is so little seperating them that I wouldn't find fault with another order, and have changed mine on occasion.

 

:bart I am so disappointed to hear you say that!

 

Hell, I'm disappointed in myself!

 

Greb,Monzon,Hagler

 

Monzon probably for me. Had a long reign as the number 1. Hagler very close second. As for Greb, he could well be the greatest, shame there is no footage which is why, out of them 3, at this moment in time, I have him as 3.