Big Worm: Pacquiao still beat Floyd's a**

most people have him losing that fight even though it was given to Pac.

 

Let's be honest. Manny only has a punchers chance to beat Floyd. That has always been the case. People want to talk about 4 and 5 punch combos and ****. You can't land a 5 punch combo on a guy unless he is there for you to hit so throw that **** out the window , bc we all know Floyd is not going to be there.

Floyd has all the physical advantages and the thing is he knows how to use those advantages. Floyd fights tall for his height and would keep Manny at long range and actually **** Manny up on the inside bc Manny doesn't have that inside game and I am not just talking about punching on the inside. Floyd can tie up, go the body, lean on him, push off with the forearm and shoot little uppercuts and much more.

Manny also has one thing that I always said would do him in and that is his inability to cut off the ****ing ring. He would follow Floyd in straight lines all night and get out worked in the footwork department all night. Floyd can dictate and control the range with his foot speed, foot work, and jab.

Now we all know who makes adjustments and who doesn't and Floyd will adjust his game constantly and Manny will fight the same way he has always fought. In the words of Roach, "We would have to have the perfect game plan to beat Floyd, and Manny would have to fight the perfect fight." That **** ain't happening fellows. /thread

 

First of all ****stanis make up less than 3% of the UK population so if the first thing you thought I was ****stani due to my location and avatar shows how much on an uneducated idiot you really are.

For the record I am black - not that matters, when I am making mince meat of you.

Trying to determine what race a person is from an avatar? LOL! atsch

I will repeat what I said before: Mayweather only really struggled in the first Castillo fight, that was down to an injury and the being out weighed....every other fight Mayweather has won with relative ease at worse he wins 8 - 4 and looks like he has barely touched. Hence why he is held to such a high standard.....there is no JMM in Mayweathers career (I mean how many times does Manny have to fight him?) or Morales or a Sanchez or....you get the point right :good

Ofcourse you can't just only look at one fighters strengths but the reality is Mayweather is the better boxer in almost every department, Manny has a punchers chance and even then we saw Mayweather took Moseleys big shots and kept standing so I'm not convinced Manny even has much of a punchers chance.

You insult people when you are clearly out of your depth and embarrassed, See your Khan car crash of a thread for plenty of examples

Not sure the point you are making with the "claiming to be a boxer line" I merely stated I have been boxing since around 10 and while most posters on here only watch boxing I actually attempt to learn and do the things we talk about . i.e Bob and Weave. Hence I have a better understanding than most (not all) simply because I put what I see into practice.

Again I think you are confused, you don't need to be a psychologist to see when a person is insecure and is having problems.....I'm starting to wonder what world you live in?

Yes there is one dominant style, it is called being a complete boxer. The boxer with the most skills wins in most cases (not all) - ofcourse if you are a better boxer and have a terrible chin you are not going to win all the time.
The point I was making was Floyd = great @ defense and offense. Manny = Great @ offense, OK at defense. No where did I suggest a great defensive boxer automatically beats a great offensive fighter, you really don't read too well do you?

I will use the old adage to explain my point further: "a good big guy will always beat a good litte guy every time". Mayweather is the big guy in this example - I just wanted to make that clear.

We are getting off topic, but what is the "it" you are refering to in this context? Defense? Box? In any case Ward is not on Mayweathers level yet but he has plenty of time. Maybe we agree on something??

Please show me anywhere in my posts where I said the bolded section or even implied it. Comprehension is important when responding to me in future please.

You are being very immature, you know full well that Zab and Floyd knew each other extremely well even if Marquez had sparred Floyd prior to them fighting he didnt know Floyd anywhere near as well as Zab.

Most training camps are not 4 months.....in most cases Mayweather camps have been 8 - 10 weeks. In recent times he has extended them by a week or two due to the his inactivity in the ring but that is still well shy of your "over 4 months"

I can understand someone taking a different position to me, if they can explain themselves but you are just......well just stupid (I don't enjoy saying that btw) in no way would that fight ever have been a 50/50 fight......It was always likely that Mayweather would win, Pacquiao as great as he is....has never been on Mayweathers level.

His latest performances should have confirmed that for almost anyone with an ounce of common sense.

 

When was the last time you saw pacquaio whirling dervish that he use to be? His work rate appears to be down from what it use to be and he seems to pick his spots a bit more. I don't think it would happen, but any fighter can be knocked down or out by anyone as boxing has showed us in the past.

 

Scar getting schooled in this thread nearly as bad as Pacquiao would in with Floyd.

 

Knowing how many P.akis are in England doesn't make me educated, nor does it make you educated either. Where you live doesn't define planet earth, ever been in an airplane before? I don't care what or who you are, but thanks for the much needed introduction.

Mayweather is the better boxer, Pacquiao is the better aggressor. Usually fights like these have entertainment written all over them. Pacquiao hasn't faced someone like Mayweather and Mayweather hasn't faced someone like Pacquiao. Pacquiao has the power but one punch won't do it against Mayweather, it's consistent aggression and attempting to break Mayweather down. Body/Head punches nonstop consistently can eventually break Mayweather down in my opinion. The odds definitely favor Mayweather and for obvious reasons but I think Pacquiao's aggression can give him hell if not defeat him.

If you knew anything about proper practice you would know about the various forms of head movement and how each serves a different purpose.

Coming from a guy who defines global population as real education.

There is no dominant style in the sport because each style is carried by a different performer and each performer has different limitations. The best style to exploit a perfect boxer's limitations is an aggressive one. This sport isn't random but it isn't fixed. Usually a perfect boxer definitely prevails but in my view it's not the one dominant style.

I never said he was on his level yet but he definitely has the tools to get there and sooner than expected. I was referring to fighting style more than actual current ability.

Oh the irony, and you mention comprehension. If you were half as educated as you claim to be you would realize that different people comprehend differently, it could be either above your level or below it. Admission requires maturity.

"Manny has not mastered the art of not getting hit, it would be a mismatch."

Explain that line there. To me it looks like you're saying that since Pacquiao hasn't perfected the art of defense, he has no chance and it would be a mismatch? I pretty much nailed you with actual examples of fights you could watch of aggressive fighters who haven't mastered the art of defense prevailing. As I said, the examples are endless.

Even if he sparred with him, it doesn't mean much. Every training camp has its secrets. Sparring is there for practice where one guy hires the other to try out weird stuff on. Some fighters get pummeled during sparring because they want to get pummeled. They're trying new stuff out and want to be punished for it to perfect it. Very simple logic there. Zab was helping out, he might have tried stuff out but don't expect Mayweather to perform similarly in an actual professional fight.

Thanks. I would have never known different training camps require different time-frames if you haven't told me.

"I don't agree with you so you're stupid".

Are you a man or a woman? For a 30 year old, that's disturbing. What world do you live in?

 

As I previously explained, if Pacquiao comes in for Mayweather as he did for Marquez in the 4th fight, this would be a competitive tough fight. If he comes in as he did in the 3rd and Bradley fights, he's getting outclassed easily. What Pacquiao needs to trouble Mayweather is his activity, speed, stamina and power. If any of those are not there, especially activity, he's losing badly.

 

I see your point Scar but Mayweather is known for shutting guys punch out put down. Manny isn't going to be throwing combos out of range and Floyd may not move around the ring like he use to but his feet are still fast enough, and his foot work is still superb to neutralize Manny. Manny will just come forward walking in straight lines since he can't cut the ring off. Also not bringing a jab to the table will not help Manny at all.

Don't forget that Floyd knows how to bang on the inside and he will block Manny's first shot and Manny will be right on the inside where his Southpaw stance will be gone and Floyd's inside game will **** Manny.

 

Yup

 

atsch

Cotto was landing his slow motion jab on Floyd all night, of course he'd get hit

 

No it doesn't make you uneducated/eductaed, however assuming WRONGLY that someone who is from UK and has an Avatar of Emmanuel Steward and Prince Naseem Hamed is a P.akistani is both STUPID and why do you insist on calling them P.aki's instead of ****stanis are you a racist as well as stupid?

Now this much more reasonable response.....I can understand this a bit better but I still don't see it. Even if you consider Pacquiao better in terms of offense, I do not believe Manny will land sufficiently and I can tell you why: in his recent fights we have seen Manny's work rate drop off and we know he needs that dearly to remain competitive let alone win the fight and if he can't keep his activity high against someone with two injured ankles he has ZERO chance against Mayweather.

This is a sentence that doesn't make any sense in relation to what I have typed :huh

Now now Scar, lets try to follow the basics please. Can you please tell me where I said knowing the UK population is real education. First of all it would be national population and not global. I repeat I said anyone who makes the assumption that someone from the UK who has a particular avatar you can determine their race is an idiot.

I didn't say what YOU said, I said he wasn't on Mayweathers level....I actually asked you to clarify what you were refering to? You are just showing yourself up now Scar.

How educated do I claim to be? Ive never made any claims about my education rather about your lack of LOL - You just can't help stepping on that rake can you.....I'm just laughing my ass off responding to this.....its clear YOU are not on my level intellectually and I think everyone in this thread knows it.

Ive explained it before but since you are slower than most here goes: Floyd is THE superior boxer, the best boxer wins it is that simple. The saying goes: A good big guy beat a good little guy everytime. Floyd has a much better defense and one of the most accurate offenses there is. For Pacquiao to even exploit Floyd he needs to have a good defense because Pacquiao doesn't do well with people who A) can move well B) have a good jab and C) have a good straight right

Floyd has all 3 in abundance Pacquiao is going to really struggle to land on Floyd due to Floyds ATG defense as well as the other 3 factors I have mentioned, however Floyd will NOT struggle to touch Pacquiao.

If Floyd can touch Pacquiao he will hurt him and wear him down, especially because Pacquiao is so aggressive and now we have to factor in that Pacquiaos chin has been cracked recently if they were to fight anytime soon I would beat that Mayweather would stop him even sooner than I first would have predicted.

Ok Scar, everyone else can see it but you. atsch

Right now Emeritus = Scar's daddy; with the verbal beating I have given you LOL I can't honestly believe you read and comprehend so poorly, you are stupid for a number of reasons I cant be bothered to list them all but as I said you didn't explain your position well at all. You've made a better attempt now, but still showed yourself up to be intellectually challenged.....I will no longer take advantage of what is clearly a handicap :good

 

Cotto has a great jab that he times very well. Always has. Manny doesn't bring a jab to the table and yes Floyd will get hit. He does in every fight. The thing is what Manny brings to the table won't be enough and he will be lunging in and missing badly thus affecting his accuracy.

 

Mannys straight left is faster than Cottos jab, thats all im saying. Im not saying Pac wins, but this is still the toughest fight for Floyd at 147

 

Pacquiao's biggest enemy in this fight, considering his aggressive style, is Mayweather's style. What an aggressive fighter needs to do to trouble Mayweather is to smother him, push, keep throwing nonstop on the shoulders, body and any opening available and force Mayweather out of his gameplan. It's an extremely difficult fight that will take a lot out of both fighters to secure rounds. Only way for this to be easy is if Pacquiao's aggression is ineffective, that way Mayweather can pretty much dominate him easily and even overpower him. If Mayweather is able to force Pacquiao, a come forward fighter, backwards this will be an easy night for Mayweather.

As I said, there's too much to expect here but it all depends on how Pacquiao returns after that KO. If his aggression has taken a hit, a Mayweather fight is pointless. He needs his A game in this one to have a chance while Mayweather can still do great even if he brings B or dare I say C game. Still a very intriguing fight to me.

 

Scar is a shameless troll mate, i wouldnt waste ur time :good