Physically strongest boxers - Johnson, Foreman and ?...

Jeffries ran a working farm , harvesting alfalfa can be quite physical I imagine.Jeffries also trained assiduously for nearly a year and a half prior to the fight.
Plus he did two vaudeville tours, back to back in which he was sparring nightly.Hardly inactive.

 

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I'm not sure what was involved in harvesting alfalfa over 100 years ago so I couldn't really comment but prior to his comback, Jeffries looked like a fat, old man despite only being in his 30's. If alfalfa farming was a laborus chore the effects weren't present on Jeffries. Also from what I've heard Jeffries loafed around in prep for his fight with Johnson a bit particularly in sparring. When Foreman made a comeback he made sure to fight opponents he could beat, and fought dozens of them before testing himself with better opposition, Jeffries on the other hand was thrown in with the absolute best fighter walking around at the time despite never actually wanting to fight. Whether he had 3 months or 30 months to prepare it's hardly a gauge to measure a man's strength. In any case, hyperbole and creative journalism aside, Jeffries was a very strong individual BUT was much more so in his prime. In fact it was his most noted asset.

 

Jeffries trained seriously for a year and a half, he was sparring nightly as part of his theatre tour , from which he made an absolute fortune .
In training , he worked like a dog, abdominal crunches, calisthenics ,marathon runs he did the whole works, he later said the $$$ was not worth the punishment he put his body through in preparing for the fight
Jeff was down to weight in October 1909, 9 months before the fight
I don't know how you claim make the claim that his strength had significantly eroded.On what do you base this?
The fact that on this rare occasion he was facing a man who was in his prime,and one nearly as big as himself ,was probably the main factor he was ineffective at close quarters. Jeffries most noted asset was his durability. It is mentioned in every one of his major fights.

Please produce accounts of his physical strength in fights. I don't think you will find many. Hyperbole accounts of carrying deer, and lifting wagons do not count.

 

I don't know if I'd put Holyfield in. He was built like a body builder, but he was often outmuscled on the inside, much like Tyson.

 

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Answer for you .Jeffries was in training for one and a half years prior to his come back. Neither Corbett or Fitz were when they made their returns to the ring, plus both were past their best when they retired, Jeffries was just coming into his prime at 29 .
Fitz was nearly 40 years old when he rematched Jeffries ,and had not fought for 2 years , he was 37 when he defended against him .
No comparison.

Jeffries was not in retirement in 1909 he ,via Sam Berger signed to fight Johnson the first week in August of that year. Jeffries was in training and working out all through 1909. Van Court did NOT guide a young Jeffries, he took over as the trainer at the L. A. A C when Billy Gallagher the man who guided Jeffries left .Van Courts name was Dewitt Van Court, when he came on the scene Jeffries was allready a regular at the gym.

Jeffries was down to 230lbs in October of 1909 he had just come back from a health farm in Carlsbad.
You like to pretend Peter Jackson was in fine form for his comeback against Jeffries, yet no one on the thread I made comparing him to Jeffries ,during their respective comebacks agrees with your assertion.

THE EXPRESSION DOUBLE STANDARD COULD HAVE BEEN INVENTED FOR YOU

You need to do some home work.

 

Oh boy, where to start... Jeffries had not fought in a real fight since 1904. Jeffries was retired, fat, and lost his stamina and muscle reflex. His training for Johnson was a joke as he seldom sparred. And his sparring partners he used were old. Adam can set the record straight for you, and ask him what he thinks of Jeffries as a puncher, if your mind is open you might learn something. When I correct you, you quickly forget…

If you have a source for the 1909 weight at 230 pounds confirmed by a scale in a newspaper list it here. Anyone with eyes can see Jeffries was fat as a hog when he signed to meet Johnson.

Fitz was not past it when he meet Jeffries for the re-match. Examine the records. Fitz KO'd 6 men in 12 rounds, including Ruhlin and Sharkey after losing the title to Jeffries. Fitz also did well in the re-match vs Jeffries in 1902, and had good performances post Jeffries in 1903 vs Gardner, and 1904 vs O'Brien. No way he was shot.

From 2-11-1890 to 7-23-1904 ( 13+ years of boxing ) the only man to stop Fitz was Jeffries.

You still ducked my question. If Fitz or Corbett were active on tour or sparring when they had no official fights, do you consider them active too, or is this just another double standard?

 

You have to remember that longevity back at the turn of the century is not what it is today. Life was much tougher for most and this was reflected in life expectancy. So the Jeffries who fought Johnson in 1910 more than likely was well beyond his actual age at that time as compared to today. He certainly looked like a much older man in that ring that day. Jeffries in his prime was quite obviously a tremendously well conditioned athlete. From the days of his prime the thought always has been that he was one of hwt boxings strongest champions. Its all well and good to hate Jeff because of the racial times he lived and was involved in but quite another to try to smear every positive aspect of this fighter that has been handed down over the years. He was one of boxings all time greatest. The best fighters and trainers of his time said so and they did not speak that loftily of everyone.

 

BELOW.
PRIMARY SOURCE, SOMETHING YOU HAVE NEVER PRODUCED.

Jeffries in hard training APRIL 23rd 1909!

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/32139503?searchTerm=jim jeffries&searchLimits=
Jeffries training August 11 th 1909
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/45078191?searchTerm=jim jeffries&searchLimits=

Below, Jeffries in training , early 1910.

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Below, John L Ssullivan reports on Jeffries sparring sessions.
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F1071EFF355D16738DDDAC0A94DE405B808DF1D3

35years old Jeffries in the ring with 33 years old Johnson below ,who looks trimmer?

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Jeffries scales 235lbs July 1909 prior to leaving for Carlsbad.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F50714FD395A12738DDDA00A94DF405B898CF1D3


Jeffries in shape 19th March 1909

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n..._ogAAAAIBAJ&sjid=cHUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=5446,1960210
Jeffries scales 220lbs in Carlsbad ,October 1909 .Jeffries arrives back from Carlsbad says he weighs 230lbs.Jeffries running10 miles a day ,for 6 weeks.Below.
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F00E16FD3F5A15738DDDAA0A94D8415B898CF1D3

THIS WAS NINE MONTHS BEFORE THEIR FIGHT!

 

Would this same standard apply to 37 years old, 6 years retired Peter Jackson? To near 40 years old Fitzsimmons , to near 37 years old Corbettt, to 40 years old Goddard,or, is it only applicable to Jeffries?:think

I don't hate Jeffries I just have zero tolerance for the arselicking ,hero worship excrement that pours out of Mendoza's mouth.I've provided primary sources that prove Jeffries was down to fighting weight NINE MONTHS BEFORE HE FOUGHT JOHNSON.I'VE PROVED HE WAS IN TRAINING A YEAR AND A HALF BEFORE THE FIGHT.

Below Jeffries, doing one of his nightly training exhibitions.

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Provide proof to the contrary.
NOW ****, OR GET OFF THE POT!

 

Not 6 years Jeffries was in training for a year and a half prior to his comeback fight he was also on two back to back nationwide tours sparring and skipping nightly.
Below a young Jeffries.

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Below an old Jeffries.

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He's lost some hair, and is six years older, please point out other marked differences.

 

http://www.josportsinc.com/catalog/view.php?id=13375

Jeffries looks heavy in this photo when the fight was signed. ESPN big fights doc says he had to lose about 80 pounds to get back to fighting weight. To lose that amount of weight and being in-active since 1904 is a lot to ask.

Jeffries looked much older in 1910. It was not only loss of hair, his skin was not as tight in the face, and years of food and heavy drinking took their toll.