Rewarding ineffective aggression over clean punching, ring generalship and defense?

aggression should be the first tie-breaker.

 

"Aggression" is a bull**** excuse for HBO people to boost up their fighters, i dont care if fighter is aggressive while he isnt landing **** and gets hit cleanly.
ESB posters often call footwork running which is sad since footwork is one of the most important attributes in boxing, if some fighters just goes forward and eats punches he is losing i dont want to hear bull**** effective aggression!

 

who would you give a round where no punch landed....the fighter that was attacking or the fighter that was moving back and looking to counter?

 

Maybe Chavez won his fight against Sergio he was aggressive going forward and getting his head blown off, Adamek lost this fight no doubt Steve outboxed him in every department better movement, they were fighting on his terms, he showed good jab and controlled Adamek with it, but i guess many guys are blinded fans of Adamek or just could not score a fight to save their life.

 

Give me more contextual details.

Boxing isn't as simple as "who's coming forward attacking".

If the nuances are too much for you, stop trying to score boxing. It isn't for you.

 

...both guys can't hit each other.

one coming forward, one going back.

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Exactly how many times does either connect? Even if it's only grazing jabs to the body or punches that get rolled with?

I really don't think you understand how complex a sport this is.

Your eagerness to fall back on aggression as a safety net when the action seems too close for you to discern a victor is not only misguided but lazy, and has led to lots of bogus decisions by judges who are paid to perform this work (making their laziness all the more egregious)

 

45% power punches landed is a very effective aggression you uneducated idiot....
you sick fukis "racist"agenda here on esb is getting boring...
go fuk off to you black panther forum and dont junk esb with this "ultra nationalist"**** in your head

 

I don't think you'll find much argument here. Occasionally, there's a fight on the borderline, where one guy is SO much more effective but the other guy landed like twice as many punches because he threw SO many more punches. A few examples of that off the top of my head - Paul Williams vs. Sergio Martinez I, Cristobal Cruz vs. Thomas Mashaba, Nicolai Valuev vs. David Haye, Carl Froch vs. Andre Dirrell. In that case, I can see rewarding the guy who landed at a much lower clip but actually landed a lot of punches. Then, it depends on how much damage the guy who threw less actually did, so in those cases I scored Martinez-Williams a draw, gave it to Mashaba over Cruz, narrowly gave it to Valuev over Haye (and I know I'm in the minority there) and had a pretty wide decision for Dirrell over Froch.

That said, I don't think you'll see many arguments for completely ineffective aggression over excellent counterpunching, other than from professional judges it appears. I know almost nobody (myself included) who scored Adamek-Cunningham II for Adamek, Alexander-Kotelnik for Alexander, Shumenov-Campillo II for Shumenov, Williams-Lara for Williams, etc. It's just unfortunate that there are a number of bad judges out there.

 

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In all honesty, in a situation where two guys couldn't connect with one another, it would almost default to a case where the defender/ counter-puncher should be given the round since a round of that sort usually favors that style of fight. And since "fighting your fight" (ring generalship) is a criteria for scoring, that's the deciding factor in that case.

 

Even round since no one landed a punch.

 

A very large number of Polish posters, and a few others.

The remaining Poles/Adamek fans all claim to have scored it 115-113 to Cunningham but insist it was "super close and could have gone either way" (it wasn't, and couldn't have :yep)

 

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"...but it's prize fighting! I don't like it when they aren't trying to make it a fight!! :| Wahhh!"

Entertaining or appeasing the fans isn't a scoring criteria. :banana