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  1. Hands of Iron

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    It would've been a lot better (for Pernell, especially) if he'd of fought Trinidad earlier, but aside from the HBO issue mentioned in the feature I posted, who the hell could blame the Duva's for taking the hard line against dealing with DKP given the colorful and recent history there? Pea's decline was an inevitablity, but maybe he lays off the drug and drink (and **** poor Rivera performances) with some added motivation (?)

    BOXING;Whitaker and Trinidad Set Up Showdown
    By CLIFTON BROWN
    Published: November 19, 1995
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    By knocking out their opponents tonight, Pernell Whitaker and Felix Trinidad positioned themselves for a welterweight showdown next year.

    Whitaker, regarded as perhaps the world's best boxer, pound for pound, defended his World Boxing Council welterweight title with a sixth-round knockout of Jake Rodriguez before 5,112 at the Atlantic City Convention Center. Trinidad was equally impressive in the co-feature bout, defending his International Boxing Federation 147-pound championship with a fourth-round knockout of Larry Barnes, the No. 1-ranked contender.

    Trinidad, one of boxing's rising stars at age 22, is 27-0 with 23 knockouts, but a fight with Whitaker would bring Trinidad the biggest payday of his career, plus international recognition. Whitaker, from Norfolk, Va., is 31 years old, and he has insisted that he will not fight for many more years. But Whitaker is looking forward to a potential fight against Trinidad, a native of Cupey Alto, P.R.

    "Everyone wants to see a Trinidad fight, so let's do it," Whitaker said after tonight's victory. "Let's get it on right now. Felix Trinidad is a great young fighter. But he has to come to the master."

    Lou Duva, Whitaker's manager, said that Trinidad would have to be released from his promoter, Don King, before a Trinidad-Whitaker bout could take place.

    "The second he is released from King, bring us a contract," Duva said after the fight. "The public deserves this fight."


    Whitaker (37-1-1) was in command against Rodriguez (27-4-2), controlling the fight with his superior hand speed. It ended in the sixth round, when Whitaker floored Rodriguez with a left hook-right hand combination. Rodriguez rose to his feet, but he was in deep trouble, and Whitaker did not let his opponent escape. Whitaker knocked down Rodriguez again with a right to the body and a left to the head. The fight was waved to an end by the referee, Frank Cappuccino, as Rodriguez rose to his feet.

    Asked if he had watched Trinidad fight from the dressing room, Whitaker said: "I don't watch fights. I didn't watch in the back. But I'm sure my wife watched it, and I'll get a full report when I get back."

    Whitaker missed a good show by Trinidad, who was tested by Barnes (39-2), the No. 1 ranked contender from Mount Vernon, N.Y., Barnes kept constant pressure on the champion by moving forward, fighting out of a low crouch. But Trinidad's punching power surfaced with sudden fury in the fourth round, bringing a dramatic end to the fight.

    Trinidad stunned Barnes with a left hook to the temple. Barnes staggered backward, and Trinidad moved in for the finish. Barnes did his best to survive, throwing wild punches, despite moving on rubbery legs. But Trinidad was too seasoned to let Barnes get away, and there was too much time left in the round for Barnes to last. Trinidad hit Barnes with a flurry of punches, and Barnes finally went down after a right-hand body blow. Barnes leaned forward on his knees, with his head touching the canvas. The referee, Benjy Esteves, counted to eight, but it was clear that Barnes was hurt, and Esteves waved his hands with just six seconds left in the round, ending the fight.

    Whitaker and Trinidad shared the podium in a post-fight news conference. Next year, they hope to share a ring.

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  2. Flyers2001

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    Gotta Disagree with some things.

    Shane Mosley was only shot after Floyd faught him. Floyd was favored heading into the fight but barely. You go on to say Floyd didn't fight guys with momentum, but Shane being 38 had all the momentum going into the fight coming off being a 6 or 7-1 dog to Margarito and blitzing him in 9. Mosley didn't just beat Margarito because of styles, but because anyone that is a world class boxer would have made Margarito look like sh*t. Mosley was #3 p4p because he deserved it at the time.

    Victor Ortiz is quite the head case, but he was coming off a career win beating Berto.

    Floyd should have came in at the agreed upon weight with JMM, but we all know it would not have mattered. JMM is not on Floyd's level. Marquez took the fight because of the money and Floyd took it because it was Pac's biggest rival and it would 1 up him. Either was we saw what a talent contrast exsisted between the 2.

    Against Hatton, Floyd was no way settled in as a true WW. He didn't settle in until he took the time off after Hatton. Look at his physique during Hatton and when he came back. Hatton and Floyd were basically the same size. Hatton offered in the most money beisdes an ODHY rematch. Hatton was also held a WW title and was the lineal Jr. ww champion. This fight was nothing but good for boxing.

    Your right, his card is weak at 140, but Cotto didn't want to face Floyd after Gatti. Arum stated Cotto was not ready. Floyd should have fought Tszyu, but by then Tszyu was not a full time fighter and depending on timing his loss to Hatton came in June of 2005, right around the time Floyd was facing Gatti for much more money. Who knows what would have happen if Tszyu beat Hatton.

    Floyd taking time off is weird. Some say it was ducking, could be. But he did turn down a 25 million pay day with a ODLH rematch. Thats a lot of cash to turn down and risk giving to someone else, which Pac picked up on. Essentially Floyd retiring allowed PAC to gain elite status.

    Through the grapevine on another respectable boxing site, some said Floyd took time off to rest some injuries and to grow into 147. Makes some sense in fact that he took on relatively small WW's when he made the jump in Mitchell and Judah. Baldomir was a slug and then there was Oscar and Hatton.

    When people dicuss Floyd today they go by what have you done for me latley philosophy, which is true sometimes. People should look at the who picture, 43 - 0. Its not like he's fighting tomatoe cans. He touched the canvas once, by his own accord. When all said and done, he has fought and beaten probably 6-8 hall of famers.

    He should also get his fair share of the blame for the Pac fight not happening in 2010-2011 when it should have.
     
  3. The Mongoose

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    Trindad would have been a fantastic swan song for the aging Whitaker but by this point he had already beat the man at WW in McGirt and technically the man at JW in Chavez to seal his legacy..after domintating LW. At least he had the moral victory over Oscar to close out his active career.
     
  4. Hands of Iron

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    Did you like him to beat Chavez at the time? I've found and posted numerous 'expert opinions' on the eve of the fight and some of them are borderline hilarious in how much favor is shown in JCC's direction. His coming in at 142 (obviously it wasn't a full fledged welterweight contest) isn't mentioned anywhere as the slightest bit of concern as it's brought up constantly today, but then again he'd fought numerous times (against far lesser opposition of course) just above 140 prior to and won as usual.

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    Check out Bert Sugar's pick.
     
  5. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Wow Bett Sugar was spot on !
     
  6. Flexb

    Flexb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Floyd barely beat an old De La Hoya and De La Hoya beat Pernell when he was still technically undefeated and p4P rated #1. Roy said Pernell was was still very game, just a tiny bit slower than his earlier years. FAR from old or washed up.
     
  7. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    My favourite kind of posts. It's a nice feeling to be educated.

    My least favourite kind of post.
     
  8. Hands of Iron

    Hands of Iron #MSE Full Member

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    How about post #68? I know you agree with the short second paragraph.
     
  9. pugilistspecialist

    pugilistspecialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    how do you rate Mayweather r win over Genaro
    Hernandez? Whitaker beat Chavez IMO but I do believe it's on par with sweet peas win over Nelson and over his win of McGirt considering Hernandez is an all time top ten junior lightweight great. Quite impressive considering chicanto was undefeated St the weight a longtime champ and not to far from his a peak
     
  10. Toontoon

    Toontoon Boxing Junkie banned

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    Mayweather completely schooled Marquez when he was P4P#2
     
  11. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Yes, great performance.... but it simply is a level below what Whitaker was able to do vs Chavez, everything considered.
     
  12. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    I love old articles like this :good
     
  13. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Which is why p4p lists are a bit of a joke.

    Whitaker was # 2 p4p when he faced CHavez.

    Marquez was # 2 p4p when he faced Mayweather.

    Can you imagine that Marquez not being utterly embarrassed by Whitaker if they fought each other?

    And not only are p4p lists context-of-the-era-dependent, but they are inaccurate too.

    Can you really tell me that Marquez was a better fighter at the time than say Andre Ward?

    Really?

    And lol@ Mosley being # 3 p4p at the time of the Mayweather fight. If Mosley was the third best fighter on the planet at that point, they should pack the whole game away.
     
  15. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    My opinion was probably consistent with the popular one, I was a huge Chavez fanboy at the time. :lol:

    Ha, and internet experts of today like to go on and on about Bert Sugar not knowing **** about boxing. Called it on the money. Perfect prediction.