No, You're not getting it. You're not being fair and to the point, You're hated for who you are not for what skin color you are, So why would an ignornat slob like yourself who even mentions "he dated white girls back then when that was a big no"..Why can't he date white women there is no law against it yet he was hated for doing what you,me and any other person in this world can do and not be looked down upon by societ. So the example and person you have mention is irrelvant and unfair. Time changes public opinion? He was hated in the 20s,30s,40s..What for? Absolutely nothing. Your only answer is "He was hated because he was black and dated white women" poor form! And no the answer is Max Schemling, Not only American but most of the world wanted him to KO Max. But Max one of a kind,awesome fighter and human being.
You are going into minor details. The reason he was hated is irrelevant. The fact is,he was hated tremendously was he not? It doesn't matter if he was hated for a dumb reason! Hate is often dumb! Why can't you grasp that? I'm not saying it was right to hate on the man. I'm not a racist. I'm just saying they hated him and he was a very hated fighter perhaps the most hated. It's like your a dumb teenaged boy or something! Max Schmeling yeah he was hated but he was also loved by Germany and racist whites. excerpt from: Unforgivable Blackness. Jack Johnson Rebel of the progressive era by Dr.Gerald Early "What most bothered whites about Johnson was that he openly had affairs with white women—and even married them—at a time when miscegenation of this sort was not only illegal but was positively dangerous. Johnson did not seem to care what whites thought of him, and this bothered most whites a great deal. He was not humble or diffident with whites. He gloated about his victories and often taunted his opponents in the ring. (This behavior was not unique to him as a champion boxer. Many boxers, notably John L. Sullivan, acted this way. It was unique for a black public figure.) He also did not care what blacks thought of him, as some were critical of his sex life. His preference for white women seemed an embarrassment and something that would bring the wrath of whites down on the heads of every black person. Jeffries was coaxed out of retirement to fight Johnson, some arguing that since Jeffries never lost his title in the ring, he was, in essence, the real champion. That fight took place in Reno, Nevada on July 4, 1910. It was the most talked-about, most publicized sporting event in American history. It was seen by nearly the whole country as a symbolic race war. It was also richest sporting event in American history: the two fighters split unevenly—the winner getting 60 percent—a sum of $101,000, a staggering prize for the time. Johnson once again won easily. Jeffries could not overcome a five-year layoff. Moreover, he probably lacked the skills, as he himself admitted after the fight, to have ever beaten Johnson. Since Johnson could not be defeated in the ring, the battle moved to defeating Johnson in the area where he most offended and where he was most vulnerable—his sex life" Taken from another forum: "The two most hated were Jack Johnson and Joe Calzaghe...Johnson, largely because of the negative attitude and jealousy toward a successful black heavyweight in the early 20th century."
Almost amazing how many forget this. It wasn't until later, when many (white) Americans turned against the Vietnam war did the public start to look more favorably toward Ali.
i use to dislike him for his big mouth,but he seem like a decent guy to me as for boxing abilities,hes great tho he could pick up better opponents and be more active another thing is his attitude...he doesn't want to fight anybody apart big money fights vs.klitschkos...cus he knows he can lose and then klitschkos fights are gone.... he is exiting to watch in the ring tho
Well they always said I was a stubborn hard headed kind of guy. I can't back down from this douche ya know? but I appreciate your input buddy. Thanks!:good:good:good
Sure. I'm familiar w/J Johnson's bio even b4 the Unforgivable Blackness documentary. When the other guy said your example of Johnson wasn't a good one b/c that was a more "racist era" I was :huh 1st of all - as you replied - we're not debating the reason a particular fighter is hated or whether the hate is "fair". Anyway I don't think Haye is all that hated considering his talk vs his accomplishments 2nd, what exactly is a "racist era". He probably meant the racism in the US directed at blacks was worse and more open in the early 1900s. Today in the US it might be black & Hispanic gangs fighting it out, or some other combination. In the entire history of the world there have always been groups of ppl hating or disliking some other group. It still goes on today. Another example, look at the Middle East. So is this a racist era too? my 666th post :fire
Again we're debating who was the most "Hated" and it is not Jack Johnson because places like Australia,New Zealand,Samoa,Mexico did not have a probelm with him but the majority of the world didn't like Germans and so therefore Max Schleming(by our **** poor theory) was the most hated ever. Was he HATED for his skin color or was he HATED for his personality,Two totally different things. Should we hate all Americans because they start all the wars? Should we hate all Germans for WW2? Thats the point im trying to make,He was not hated as a individual but as a ethnic.
You need to brush up on your history. Jim Crow era was still in place(You know what this is?) Sure there will always be racism but is there LAWS today that state a black/hispanic/chinese citizen must sit at the back of the bus or not allowed to enter a building due to their race? Think before posting!
Yeah, I'm only 22, but I did alot of reading of old articles, especially from the Sports Illustrated articles archive. Ali was publicly loathed back then, the overwhelming majority of people were actually rooting for SONNY LISTON of all people to beat Ali. Sonny Liston was not a liked man, he was thought to be a loser and a thug, so that sure says a whole lot about the public opinion on Ali, then Cassius Clay at the time. He is such a beloved figure now that I think most people who weren't alive then couldn't even imagine that he was at one time one of the most hated boxers of all time. In one article they said they needed Liston to be the "big negro, who keeps the sassy negros in line."
No not even close. Jack Johnson, Muhammed Ali, Sonny Liston were all disliked way more than Haye. Hell even Tyson was more hated, don't see anyone trying to get Haye banned from entering the country like Tyson was. Haye runs his mouth off, but when he is not trying to sell a fight he's a funny and charming guy. It's pretty obvious he does what he does just to sell his fights.