Has Wlad done enough to establish lineage?

kell brook was offered a fight with Bradley for peanuts when he'd already secured a fight with brook for a decent split so the comparison ain't valid.

Even when Sasha beat that fringe contender guy with a good record but really old, forget his name now. A black American. Even then in the interview they said 3 fights away from wlad atleast. I'm sure that was within 3 fights but I could be wrong.

Has Sasha himself called out wlad recently?

 

Has Wlad called out AK? There is another thread for this where the WBA have threatened to strip Wlad

 

I think it shows people do care, just not the right people at the right time.

Again I agree with what you're saying. But even in just the divisional history hart v root wasn't 1v2 (hart v Johnson in a rematch would have been). After Ali retired we wouldn't have seen a lineal champ until Tyson beat Spinks to unify every claim. So I think wlads championship claim is just as strong as Holmes was at the time.

I don't say yuck, I think its noble your criteria is stuck to. I actually love your rankings they're great I just think the championship policy doesn't have the prestige required to mean anything significant. For me personally I wouldn't distinguish in prestige between the guy sat atop your rankings and the guy crowned champion, infact in the flyweight division I'd rank viloria number 1 as he's surpassed Igarashi as the best flyweight in the world.

 

A champion doesn't call out his challenger. He's earnt the right to wait for challengers to come to him.

Yeah I fully expect when they conclude the negotiations, any fighter who refuses will lose their wba belt. Sasha is again in a mandatory position lets hope this time he wants the fight (by the wording of the other thread I'd assume this is the case). With no other marquee name out there I see no good reason for wlad to fail in his mandatory obligations here.

 

It would be great to see it change and I hope it does sooner rather than later. As I say I live the idea I just think it's not consistent with the current climate.

Forgive me, when I say insignificant what I mean is that Wlad is still considered world HW champ regardless of the boards policy. Now with enough articles listing your non champs as merely contenders (like stoneys great article on wlad) maybe it will get more people discussing it (like we are now) and maybe just maybe that will one day lead to a question in an interview and a return of the importance of the lineal claim.

I want all this to happen, believe me I do. Its transparent, consistent, fair it ticks all the right boxes.

 

A champion wants to fight the best ,is willing to fight the best and has always called out the best.What mickey mouse school of boxing did you go to??

 

A champion wants to fight the best of course but the onus isn't on them to call out anyone. The challenger challenges, the champion accepts.

I went to no school of boxing, I'm just a fan is the sport and claim to be nothing more.

 

A Champion has to call out nobody!!!!

Champion can wait to defend his belts!!!

Wlad fought all his mandatory fights and never refused to fight anybody including Alexander Povetkin!!! He refuses to fight Wlad.

 

That is my biggest issue with alphabelts in the sanctioning fees.

I do agree with mandatories and title elimators to make a challengers position official but rankings should be fought over and not paid for.

People dont have to click on links as long as there are threads and articles keeping the issue current.

I kinda blame zsolt erdei for the demise of the lineal championship. Perhaps unfair I guess but I hold him responsible

 

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2 times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Yes IB,

I have argued with them back and forth. They clearly stand on the rigid, purist side of things. What's even worse is that if Vitali retired, they expect Wladimir to face Haye AGAIN, as he is currently ranked #3 and would theoretically be pushed up to #2. I could only shake my head in disbelief.

 

Yes Wladimir is definitely a HOF ATG for sure and has established a lineage no doubt