Greatest Middleweight once and for all- Greb? Monzon? Hagler?

Haglers best wins were over welterweights and lightweights. Should we consider those irrelevent? If so he has a pretty thin resume.

Monzon fought in one of the weakest eras of the division how do we rate that?

 

He lost his title to one as well.

 

Hagler's best wins came against Sibson & Hamsho. The win over Hearns was the cherry on top - just to prove he could do it. The welters of those days had a misleading mystique to them making them out to be better than they were. Hearns was the only SERIOUS threat at the time becuz of his larger frame which helped him better adapt to fighting at higher weights.

Hagler was shot going into the Leonard matchup, similar condition Holmes was when facing Spinks or Ali when facing Leon. at this point, bigger just means easier to hit

 

If Haglers best wins were Sibson and Hamsho then he doesnt need to be anywhere near a discussion of the greatest fighters in the middleweight division, or any division for that matter.

 

Every time the question is asked: What are Marvin Hagler's best wins? You get a multitude of different answers.

 

luf, if fighting and beating bigger LHs and Hws that Harry Greb is not important to you well here is SOME of the middleweights Greb fought and beat...Just a few.
Mickey Walker
Tiger Flowers
Johnny Wilson
Frank Moody
Eddie McGoorty
Soldier Bartfield
Zulu Kid
Brian Downey
George Chip
Al McCoy
Jeff Smith
Roland Todd
Leo Houck
Jack Blackburn
Frank Mantell
Mike Gibbons
Frank Mantell,etc
Many were champions and compare favorably with who Monzon and Hagler beat and to keep active the fearless Greb took on everyone and anyone
he could fight regardless of weight, style or colour...He was considered
always as a MW who made 160 pounds whenever he had to fight at 160 pounds...
P.S. This is what the great LH Tommy Loughran said of Harry Greb :
" in my day the woods were full of great fighters - and on top of the heap
sat Harry Greb". And almost every great opponent of Greb concurred...

 

zulu kid

 

why not? Hagler gained universal recognition as the sport's #1 p4p fighter following the Sibson fight, winning 147/150 first place votes. His status actually dipped following the Duran fight

you cant seriously expect people to believe Marvin deserves top honors in category based on one win over Hearns alone, no matter how high profile a match it was.

most publicized win doesnt always mean best win

 

Lord Twynn hasnt been around long enough to really know

it is fact that going into the Mugabi fight, KO listed Hagler's best wins as: Alan Minter, Tony Sibson, Caveman Lee, Wilford Scypion, Thomas Hearns

I'm throwing in Hamsho b/c Hamsho has big wins himself: Watts, Czyz, Benitez, Parker, Scypion, Minter

 

Yeah, I've seen many, many choices that differ in regards to Hagler, taking various points about his opponents into account: their own record/standing, what they were at the time Hagler fought them, what Hagler was when he fought them (in arguing Mugabi a top five win), etc. With Monzon, I'd say the two livest were Valdez and Briscoe, though Benvenuti and Griffith are going to be included as well.

.. And I think Tywin was around, so his reply is going to be interesting.

 

Greb has the greatest resume of any middleweight and its not close. Whether he would actually beat SRR, Monzon or Hagler we can only speculate but none of these men have a record like Greb. He really stands alone not only in the MW division but perhaps in any division.

 

People must be alowed to make up their own minds that Greb was the greatest middleweight of all time.

 

Define middleweight.

 

Greb

 

I havent been around long enough? On this forum or watching boxing?

I was working on satellite transmissions of international boxing broadcasts before Marvin Hagler ever laced on a boxing glove.