Marquez's knockout overhand right mirrors a Pacquiao left from 2008 (Round 10)

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  1. jan_fan

    jan_fan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    "1-2" and "1-1-2" are just the same rhythms.
    The only one thing I agree with you is the last sentence
     
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  2. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    :huh

    The same rhythms? He's pointing out that a double-jab makes the left easier to anticipate, which can often be the case.
     
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  3. jan_fan

    jan_fan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah, just one of JMM's few mistakes cause he got overconfident.
    The same overconfidence he had when he got those 4 KDs
    But really, JMM was just controlling all 4 fights.
     
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  4. Bogotazo

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    Agreed.
     
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  5. randomwalk

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    I've been amazed at all the various gifs from the four fights showing similar punches/distances with each with different outcomes. Truly a game of inches/split second reaction times. I'm in awe of both fighters.
     
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  6. Redondo5

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    It may have been similar movements and almost similar outcomes (no brutal KO on marquez when he fell through)... But the biggest differance is Marquez was more by design, whereas Pacquiao was not lucky but more instinctive. Marquez is a professor in their had this all set out as a possibility both before and during the fight, using his brain to adapt movements correctly.

    Pacquiao is not stupid, but his movements are more from instinct and have less thought in them
     
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  7. nessadel

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    for all the jiberish about how that punch was made, its clear as day that manny tripped on jmm's foot, that's why manny's face was so forward out before getting hit... you can see that on your gif...
     
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  8. Bogotazo

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    :good

    It's a fascinating rivalry to dissect. Marquez said himself, "any change, however small, will make the difference in this fight."

    He's definitely a more instinctive fighter, I agree, but I'm sure he worked on that one in the gym, along with his other common tricks.

    Yeah, Marquez just happened to lean leftwards and torque his body, and his right hand just happened to be right in the spot his head was a moment before, where Manny was advancing after feinting. Pure coincidence.

    GTFOH with that bull****, Manny's foot comes on top first if you look closely.

    Not a single one of your posts has to do with anything outside of your Manny-Juan foot-stepping obsession. **** off before the mods ban you.
     
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  9. nessadel

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    you should be the one looking closely, don't be blind, jmm's foot was that wide, that foot was well practiced I believed:good
     
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  10. steviebruno

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    Brilliant as JMM's counter was, it just does not happen if Pac attacks from the proper distance. There just wouldn't be enough time or space to pull it off.

    Hell, Marquez may have been the one tripping over himself trying to perform it.
     
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  11. r1p00pk

    r1p00pk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    just ruined a perfectly good thread with your bull****:patsch
     
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  12. nessadel

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    a thread analyzing the punch yet not noticing the foot stomping technique used is pure horse**** I believe, lol...
     
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  13. Smokin' Joe

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    'foot stomping technique' is the only horse**** here.
     
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  14. casian72

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    You need to get a life son. These obsessions will end up landing you in a padded room.

    Ts is referring to the similar mechanics involved in those punches from initial body positioning, to where the punches originate from and the final positioning of the fighters.

    The 5th rd KD of Marquez was aided by Pac s foot. Tangled feet are an extremely common occurrence when southpaws and orthodox fighter meet.

    The fact is KO6.
     
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  15. grinch

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    Interesting how pacs calves were alot thinner, I wonder if thats why all these leg cramps.. also pac seems calmer in the ring more focused. Sucks we all get older ... sigh
     
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