Greatest Middleweight once and for all- Greb? Monzon? Hagler?

Monzon spent his whole career fighting smaller guys and his style was based on fighting tall, dictating range and being the bigger man. It's not a style suited to going through the weights.

Greb is the greatest middleweight, he spent most of his career fighting and beating naturally bigger fighters than himself.

Hagler was a fantastic fighter too, but in comparison to Greb's exploits, not quite enough was done, once again a lot of his defining victories were against guys moving up in weight.

Monzon should never be voted above Greb, there is no criteria to do so. Also the logic that if you beat a lightheavy while being able to make middleweight, isn't reflective of your impressiveness as a middle, is lost on me.

 

Then there is nothing to argue.

Monzon and Hagler could pool their best wins, and you would still not get a competitive contest.

 

Monzon's reign shines brightest.

But if we consider all the men who have ever fought at middleweight, my pick is Sam Langford.

 

Mickey Walker has only a punchers chance?

Have you ever seen Walker fight?

He was as well rounded as any fighter Ive ever seen. He could box going backwards when he had to, was excellent at closing the gap, had great power, had great durability, excellent timing, great at finding angles and getting leverage on his punches from those angles.

If he showed up sober and in shape hes hell for anyone below 190 and a lot of guys above.

He was definately a more complete package than Hearns at any weight they fought at.

Hearns better hope he doesnt miss a right hand all night long, if does Walker would leap in with that crushing left hook and put Hearns on ***** street.

 

Yeah I have the greb-walker fight on tape. Walker is great we're talking about the best if the best here but he isn't as impressive in the ring as hearns is.

Back to janitors thing of ranking guys at mw based on how they did as a lhw, I suppose that could work if you only rank a guy in one division. I.e. You dont rank Greb at lhw.

Makes the Armstrong view a bit of a strange one, where would he rank?

 

SD, I too cannot fathom someone wouldn't be impressed by a middleweight that beats all middleweights at his best and has the remarkable ability to spot HOF lightheavyweights and heavyweights like a Billy Miske, Bill Brennan, etc and whip them ? Greb by ALL who fought him and wrote about him, was a unique middleweight with an unparalleled speed and toughness. Cheers.

 

Lets say that we exclude all acomplishments above the middleweight limit.

Is it still a competitive fight?

 

Yeah I think it's fair to say Greb has the edge in resume and haglerzon have the edge in achievement. They also have the benefit of film.

The only other man who could be reasonably debated imo is Robinson on the strength of his perfection in stopping La Motta. There's noone outside them 4 I'd consider a worthy number 1.

 

Duran deserves a mention, Luf. He gotten that yet?

 

Only in the form of "Hagler beats up lightweights" :-(

 

Yeeeh! :verysad

 

I think one day I'll have a go at ranking how some of you guys do (basically like a p4p list split into prime weightclasses).


From top of my head that would make my goat choices:

HW: ali
LHW: fitz
MW: greb
WW: Robinson
LW: Armstrong
FW: Pep
BW: Jofre
FLW: Canto

 

Say WHAT???!!!

 

Prime's avatar is lovely.

 

Prety close to my list!