Has Wlad done enough to establish lineage?

:-( Why?

 

Why the hell not

 

...It's just-...:cry:

 

Wlad is the lineal champion I assure you. He has the Ring title. Someone always is the lineal title. That title is never vacant for long.

Lewis retired gave up the lineal title he won from Briggs and re-won from Rahman. Lewis retired thus vacating the title. The next best heavyweight was Vitali at the time. The Lineal title being physically represented by the Ring title was won by Vitali Klitschko. Vitali retired and that title was won by Wlad. Wlad was certainly the best around when Vitali was retired thus making it unnecessary for Wlad to fight Vitali.

Wlad's the true champion,he has all but one of the belts. The man Vitali won the WBC title from was beaten by Wlad twice.

 

that includes 4 years of the retirement ... with this argument you should bring back Ali who does not lost since 1981 atschatschatschatschatsch

 

Since when did Ali retire as World Champion??

 

He retired after beating Spinks.

Strictly speaking 1v2 didnt occur until Tyson v Spinks in 88.

A fighter cannot keep his belt in retirement otherwise there would have been no champion after Tunney.

 

Better than discussing who Floyd might or might not fight before retirement in my opinion.

 

I was referring to your #1 must face #2 rule and then stated my own opinion about Povetkin should be #2 if Vitali retires, There isn't any reasonable justification for Haye being above him. I'd love to hear the basis for your TBR ratings having him higher though.

Haye
Ruiz (Ancient and had not been revelant for 4 years)
Chisora
Valuev (a fight that even some Brits didn't think he won where he averaged 12 punches per round)

Povetkin
Byrd
Chambers
Chagaev (past prime but still top 10 and beat Valuev H2H)
Huck (no more controversial than Haye's win over Valuev)

 

Wtf, Boxrec is out of their mind.

 

Haye outlanded Valuev 1,5:1 minimum.
And Haye threw powershots while Valuev did some grazing jabs.

Nothing controversial about it.

Valuev was pretty ancient though because gigantism makes you decline very fast.

 

Probably best discussing this on their thread in the sticky section.

I think the ranking is a consensus across 20+ members so McG himself might not rank haye number 3.

I personally do have haye as next best after Vitali. I only have him losing to Wlad in the division and I don't see anyone else beating him.

Pov lost to Huck on my card.

Pov is probably the next best HW after Haye though

The whole point is moot because Sasha is wlads mandatory again and providing he doesn't turn the fight down he'll find himself losing maybe by stoppage given the frequency Huck could land the right hand.

 

Vitali won the title he dropped on the first day of his comeback. Wlad has done absolutely nothing to leapfrog him.

 

You still cant come to terms with the fact its Wlad who doesn't want it. Why would Wlad be threatened with being stripped if Povektin is trying to turn it down.

 

What ever Larry Holmes is ranked, Wlad is at least a spot ahead of that.