Thoughts on ranking the great BW's

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Hey I'm trying to get my round the BW divsion and it is more difficult to rate than any others I've done so far.

    I reckon these guys might be the top 20 in history but I'm unsure of how realistic I'm being. Any criticisms, pointers would be much appreciated:

    Eder Jofre
    Manuel Ortiz
    Carlos Zarate
    Fighting Harada
    Ruben Olivares
    Panama Al Brown
    Kid Williams
    Sixto Escobar
    Pete Herman
    Joe Lynch
    Terry McGovern
    George Dixon
    Lionel Rose
    Jeff Chandler
    Orlando Canizales
    Rafael Marquez
    Rafael Herrera
    Bud Taylor
    Memphis Moore
    Johnny Coulon
    Jimmy Barry
     
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  2. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think the Flyweights are harder to rate, but yeah, tough division......

    IMHO the top 5 is Jofre, Ortiz, Al Brown, Olivares and Zarate.......
    You put the list in order, luf ? In that case, why would you rate Al Brown so low ?
    I mean, he has to be pretty high in terms of H2H and dominance.....two criterias that everyone use to rate.....and we can say his resume is pretty up there with anyone I must say......
     
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  3. lufcrazy

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    It's not an order no just the names.

    Do you think I've made any obvious ommisions?
     
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  4. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Where is Lionel Rose ?? Rafael Herrera ?
     
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  5. lufcrazy

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    I was unsure about his inclusion as he wasn't around the division for a huge time and his win over chucho is a bit controversial.

    I might have missed Herrera out as well.
     
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  6. lufcrazy

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    Who would I drop for them? Bowker maybe?
     
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  7. Rise Above

    Rise Above IBHOF elector Full Member

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    Rose had good wins over Harada and Rudkin. Deserves to be in the conversation imo.
     
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  8. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    I was about to say Medel.....but nah, I guess I would be overrating him, I think...
     
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  9. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    Canizales, Chandler and Marquez are too high. You could have George Dixon, Rafeal Herrera, Johnny Coulon, Jimmy Carruthers above them.

    McGovern and Lynch are too low.

    I would have Olivares ahead of Harada.

    Panama Brown and Pete Herman above kid Williams.

    Zarate and Ortiz for number two is a toss-up.

    I agree with Jofre as number 1.
     
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  10. lufcrazy

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    I dont know too much about Dixon as a BW tbh.

    Coulon was a guy I nearly had in but decided against at the last minute.

    The names aren't in a specific order it's just how i listed them. Although i do think chandler belongs in the top 10.
     
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  11. lufcrazy

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    Carruthers wasn't around that long I'd be a bit wary of putting him above say Marquez.
     
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  12. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    Are you sure they're not in order? lol because that's a pretty good list and very close to how i'd rank them, apart from the omissions. Must just be coincidence. :good
     
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  13. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    Bowker
    Goldstein
    Taylor
    Barry

    could all go, imo.
     
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  14. lufcrazy

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    well it's only the first time I've ever listed BW fighters so I'm not speaking on any position with conviction. So strictly speaking I'd call it an interim ranking but not one I'm trying to defend because like I say it's my first attempt.

    Barry for me was the first great BW. the barsetter. He has to be in my list as he's the measure of greatness.
     
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  15. the_bigunit

    the_bigunit Well-Known Member Full Member

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    As of now, where would you rate Jimmy Barry? I ask because I understand how difficult it can be to rank him.
     
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