Pacquiao > Chavez

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Erm i think that is ten divisions. Not saying of course that Duran fought in all of them, merely that they amount to ten divisions.

 

You have completely lost it. Manny was concussed by a great fighter. Get over it.

 

So by that logic, Glen Johnson is better than Juan Manuel Marquez, and Ricky Hatton is better than Wilfred Benitez atsch

Being celebrated by a magazine is not a skill. Try again. Or better yet concede your argument has no basis beyond personal preference .

 

Its all about getting back up again, just to clarify things for us, how long was your little hero asleep after Marquez hit him once? 2 minutes, 3, 4. Do tell us.

 

Go easy on that kid now, Bogo...He's been violated enough in this thread.:yep

 

Whitaker and Chavez are #1-2 for me over the last quarter-century.

He'd have a hard time with him because he's southpaw, possesses one of the greatest jabs of all-time (P4P) to bother him and has the work rate Floyd can't or simply isn't willing to match due to the risk it requires. He'll have no advantage in terms of his speed and reflexes. Floyd is actually pretty mechanical in comparision as far as fluid movement is concerned.

 

People need to get off Manny's nuts. He's a hype job who looked like **** against shot Mosley. Chavez KO's Manny plain and simple. His body assault puts Manny in the hospital for a month where Manny would be pissing blood even after being released. If shot to **** Margarito landed 260 plus power shots on Manny just what in the hell you think Chavez is going to do to Pacman? Get ****ing real you loser ass pacturds.

 

There's no reason you can't rate Pacquiao above Chavez. It could be argued either way.

As to who would win, I'd have to favor Pacquiao's style / ability over Chavez - who was a great in-fighter, and swarming-type fighter, but that's not the way to fight Pacquiao.

 

Chavez has a better chin and his style isnt limited to just looking good agasinst brawlers like Manny. Chavez fought against all styles. Plus CHavez isnt fighting at no catch weight. Manny couldnt drop Bradley with plush left hands landing and was barely able to effect JMM when he scored a more so off balance KD on JMM who has no where near the stamina, chin or effectiveness of Chavez. EPO Manny has a chance but ordinary Manny who's power has clearly diminshed gets killed in the ring. His kidneys would fail against Chavez. BTW welcome back *******. Its good to still see some of you in existence instead of tucking tail and run away.:hi:

 

Manny's style isn't the way to defeat Chavez either. Whitaker was able to pull it off and Taylor almost did, but paid the price. Manny just doesn't have the IQ and ring generalship Whitaker had to upset Chavez. Perhaps at 147 I'd give an edge to Pacman just slightly as a benefit of the doubt, but not at 135 or 140. This is no Ricky Hatton, Chavez would trade his straight rights with Manny's lefts and walk Manny down. Manny would counter Chavez, gain an,early lead, but he'd find out real quick his punches don't affect Chavez same way he hurt Hatton. Manny would have success with lateral movement, but he's a fighter, the instant he gets caught on the ropes he fights back, getting lured into a fight, and thats where Chavez's superior infighting changes the tide. Between Manny and Chavez clashing together going forward in a straight line, I really doubt Manny would move Chavez back. His speed and footwork might bother Chavez, but Manny never was a boxer. He'd fight against one of the best fighters in history. That would be his downfall.

 

It's just a load of bull****. Blatantly incorrect facts once again. Chavez has equal stamina, he's demonstrated it time and time again over 12. He'll get "caught?" He has one of the best chins in boxing's history, and is an excellent defensive fighter. Your knowledge and your assessment of videos means nothing since you can't put a technical argument forward. You mentioned he's more skilled, I give you an array of fundamental skills Chavez surpasses Pacquiao with. You say he's faster and likes pressure, I mention a lesser fighter beating Manny by backing him up without the same speed. Then you laughably turn to Ring Magazine yearly rankings, as if they encapsulate the abilities of a fighter across generations.

You like Manny better. Doesn't change the facts. He's quicker, but he's not smarter. He's tough, but not tougher. He's great, but not the greatest. Get used to it. Who you beat is what matters, and in this era, Pac has accomplished a great deal, but not enough to suggest he easily surpasses Chavez and climbs the ranks of the top 10-15.

I'm not even against the idea that Manny can win, it's just that your reasoning is bull****. You can't paint a picture of how the fight will go because you ignore every facet of truth that works against your favor. Manny can't fight on the inside, and he's been backed up and cornered by lesser pressure fighters. So once he's there what's hes going to do? Once you can answer that question, you can start finding real possibilities. But for now, stick to cherishing second-hand comments from known figures and arbitrary out-of-the-ring measurements of a fighter's ability. It seems to be the only way Pacquiao surpasses or beats Chavez in your head.