Boxing Scoring FAQ and Discussion

My real questions are....

Do you think a case can be made for a 10-10 round in an extreme case like that?

Is there any case a 10-10 round could be scored when a KD was involved?

 

I would say that in the case you mentioned that a 10-10 round isn't at all out of the question, des. I view a kd as being a two point swing, as opposed to an automatic victory. In an instance where a fighter would have won the round 10-8 even without an official kd, 10-10 is a valid way to score a round like the one you described.

 

It would have to be extreme circumstances, understandably, but if there is no hard and fast RULE that Flamenco gets the round, I'd have an awful hard time giving it to him.

I could more easily envision a 10-9 Flamenco round had his shot been a real power shot that landed flush and put his man down more emphatically. The justification being that his 1 punch did more damage and affected his opponent more profoundly than the reverse, theoretically.

 

Outstanding thread, this is what ESB needs more of :good

 

Yeah, it's just a hypothetical anyway. And it would have to be an extreme case, and all the stars would need to align. Just wanted to see what other guys thought, and this seemed like a good place to bring it up.

 

Convention holds that Flamenco would receive a 10-9 if Glass truly dominated the majority of the time until the KD. (to the point it was verging on a 10-8 for Glass anyway, without knocking Flamenco down)

If it was anything less than absolute bell-to-clap dominance by Glass, Flamenco gets the usual 10-8.

 

I see Juicebox already answered. des had requested I chime in.

 

Now, here's a brain teaser...

Both men score knockdowns, and the action is mostly competitive otherwise. :think

10-10?

Usually when two knockdowns are scored, people treat the round as they would any normal round - the knockdowns cancelling each other out. So whoever did better the rest of the time would get a 10-9.

The question becomes, how much does one have to really impose himself to become the 10-9 recipient in the event of a double KD? How much of a priority is it to avoid a 10-10?


Say Glass and Flamenco trade knockdowns, and if you subtract them both it would have been a "close-but-clear" 10-9 for Glass. (or one that half the people scoring saw one way, and half the other...)

Would that be an acceptable 10-10?

Of course, if Glass was dominant for 2+ minutes and they traded knockdowns it's a pretty clear-cut 10-9 to Glass...

 

Juice also thought the original scenario COULD go 10-10 after Drew worked his magic.

As for your scenario, which we shall dub scenario B, I'd be disinclined to give a 10-10 as I am usually able to find enough separation to score it one way or the other, right or wrong. Not there aren't any, just very few and far between.

But......

.....how about if Glass Joe dominates to the tune of what would normally be a 10-8. How inclined, or resistant would you be to give him that 10-8 considering they traded KDs?

Or say Glass Joe dominates with what be a 10-8 round, flat out dominating, and then scores a late KD. How inclined/resistant would you be to give a 10-7 in that case. Considering that 1) the round was a whoopass round from the get go, and 2) you had already decided it would be 10-8 as the closing seconds approached, and then the KD occurred. Would you, could you score that a 10-7?

 

Sorry. Can't help myself.

I's good exercise.

Probably. But for arguments sake, in a test-a-theory sort of way, or even better, how about if................... oh nevermind.

 

Do you one better...

Tit-for-tat action for 2:40 - but they each score knockdowns. Then Glass scores another knockdown.

So we'll call it a 10-10 base, using the previously explained model...so then Glass comes full circle to a 10-9? (where he'd be at 10-7 had he not himself been knocked down...:think)

OR...does the fact that he numerically outdid Flamenco in knockdowns swing the overall impression of the dead heat his way? (so we'll say with Flamenco's KD and his first KD canceling each other out and him starting at 10-9...then getting a 10-8 with the extra?)

 

I'd say 10-8.

To me Glass Joe would have won the round. 10-9. In theory the 2 KD's could account for superior work.

Then he scored another KD for a 10-8.

 

I think my operating assumption in bringing up these scenarios is that none of the knockdowns are too authoritative. Just a lot of flash-bangs, knuckles brushing the canvas, etc.

A good, hard knockdown should definitely be rewarded in the case of knockdown trades, the same way more effective punches are rewarded over an equivalent number of less effective ones.