Heavyweight boxing champion still the baddest man on the planet or not?

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  1. janitor

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    If they ever were, then it would likley be somebody like Jeffries or earlier, when boxing included more grapling tactics.
     
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    Or nuke his planet.
     
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  3. Big N Bad

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    Boxing is one martial art. but imo it is one of the two most effective in hand to hand combat next to muay thai. In a streetfight, the last thing you want to do is wrestle from my experience, so the one who can finish a fight with as little strikes as possible is at an advantage.

    now, most of the MMA fighters have mediocre striking and very good grappling.
    it has been proven with guys like brock lesnar, if one is a master of one martial art, and does other martial arts to improve his skill set, he can be the UFC champ.

    this is why i feel, a boxer who cross trains (in between his boxing fights) will stand a good chance against any fighter.
    remember the incident off lee murray and tito ortiz? according to witnesses the dominant ufc light heavyweight champion tito ortiz (at that time) was knocked unconscious by middleweight lee murray with a 5 or 6 punch combo.

    i hope that made sense
     
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    wladmir klitschko vs cain velasquez.

    now wladmir is alot bigger than cain.
    we all know that wlad has experience in pro kickboxing and has better boxing than cain obviously.

    lets say wladmir is also a black belt in BJJ and wrestles now and again.
    I would say this fight would then be a toss em fight with the advantage going to wlad because the fight starts standing where he can deliever a KO and finish the fight on the ground using his BJJ not to mention his size and strength.

    point is, its about the individual, and the UFC title does not simply make one the baddest man on the planet.
     
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    This is really bad ass, thanks for this!!!! :good:good
     
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  7. AnthonyJ74

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    I'm 38, and when I was a kid, the Incredible Hulk was the baddest thing going!
     
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    Yeah, I can relate to that. It actually scared the **** out of me.
    The Bixby/Ferrigno set-up was awesome.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV417KLR0Ts
     
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  10. AnthonyJ74

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    Yeah, but Ray Mercer knew that he was fighting Kimbo Slice in an MMA match, not a boxing match. Both guys were novice MMA practicioners; actually, I think Mercer had more experience crossing over into MMA than Kimbo did at the time. And the reason I stressed Mercer's boxing background is because it gave Mercer a solid base with which to incorporate any new MMA skills. Mercer was a seasoned, professional fighter (albeit past his prime), and Kimbo was basically just a street tough. So Mercer was a novice MMA fighter with a seasoned boxing background; Kimbo was a novice MMA fighter with no professional boxing background. And yet he beat Mercer easily. And it wasn't like Kimbo took him down right away. Watch the fight and you can see that Kimbo actually stood with Mercer and punched for several seconds before taking Mercer down.
     
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  11. AnthonyJ74

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    Yeah, but Ray Mercer knew that he was fighting Kimbo Slice in an MMA match, not a boxing match. Both guys were novice MMA practicioners; actually, I think Mercer had more experience crossing over into MMA than Kimbo did at the time. And the reason I stressed Mercer's boxing background is because it gave Mercer a solid base with which to incorporate any new MMA skills. Mercer was a seasoned, professional fighter (albeit past his prime), and Kimbo was basically just a street tough. So Mercer was a novice MMA fighter with a seasoned boxing background; Kimbo was a novice MMA fighter with no professional boxing background. And yet he beat Mercer easily. And it wasn't like Kimbo took him down right away. Watch the fight and you can see that Kimbo actually stood with Mercer and punched for several seconds before taking Mercer down.
     
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  12. AnthonyJ74

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    Yeah, but Ray Mercer knew that he was fighting Kimbo Slice in an MMA match, not a boxing match. Both guys were novice MMA practicioners; actually, I think Mercer had more experience crossing over into MMA than Kimbo did at the time. And the reason I stressed Mercer's boxing background is because it gave Mercer a solid base with which to incorporate any new MMA skills. Mercer was a seasoned, professional fighter (albeit past his prime), and Kimbo was basically just a street tough. So Mercer was a novice MMA fighter with a seasoned boxing background; Kimbo was a novice MMA fighter with no professional boxing background. And yet he beat Mercer easily. And it wasn't like Kimbo took him down right away. Watch the fight and you can see that Kimbo actually stood with Mercer and punched for several seconds before taking Mercer down.
     
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  13. AnthonyJ74

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    I agree. Ending a fight with a knockout punch just seems so much more manly and absolute than submitting someone in a triangle choke or an arm bar.
    Punch for punch, mano y mano, toe-to-toe -- all of that!
     
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  14. AnthonyJ74

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    Yeah, you are probably right. I'm sure there were guys around in 1973-1974 that could have made the ominous and imposing "Big" George Foreman look anything but invincible.
     
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    Six Million Dollar Man was awesome though. As a kid, I used to run around in slow motion trying to imitate his bionic run -- it was awesome!
     
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