Should we rate Benny Leonard a little higher?

That's a very good list. Thought provoking, also.

In regards to Leonard, I have put him in my top-10 P4P but whenever I examine his CV, I keep thinking he might be higher. Great topic.

 

i love that video, welsh's style is fairly unique and mcfarland is more 'modern' than some of todays fighters.

it is a thing with people today that a fast skillfull fighter has to be defensive, and therefore, perversely, leonard, or even robinson don't get the credit they deserve.

 

Don't worry Philly I wasn't offended. Did I mention that Robin Roberts is one of the most underrated pitchers of all time? Also to the guy who is clearly not Hands of Iron; thank you. I may be in need of a signature update.

Anyway, its clear that if you rate Duran over Leonard and Gans at lightweight you are saying 'I think Duran was a better fighter' because those two have more quality scalps at the weight. Not that Duran has a terrible resume, as if you include everything from his pro debut to Dejesus 3 he beat several quality guys. Its just not enough. But I'll say this: if you have Duran number one then you can't keep Pernell Whitaker out of the top 4 because he did 80% of what Duran did at the weight and looked pretty unbeatable (albeit a little less dominant than some remember).

 

Got Benny Leonard number 2 LW and think he is number 7 on my p4p list.

 

I am not sure what we disagree on, but if that's your list, we agree on a whole lot.

Packy McFarland is someone I need to do my homework on.

 

Leonard was one of the greats for sure. It should be noted that he cleaned out his era, and never drew the color line.

 

Greatest LW EVER. I have in my Top 6 all time.

 

Hard to overate Benny Leonard. I wouldnt give someone **** that had him #1. Its all subjective. Some people put stock in different aspects of a fighters career.

We know Leonard is among the very elite that has ever laced them up. He dominated the lightweights and couldve won the Welterweight title had he chose not to hit Britton when he was on the canvas..atsch Thats a whole nother story.

The man retired on top of the sport.

When you look at his ability what was he lacking? He could box, punch, take a punch. Benny had superior footwork, educated movement and according to Ray Arcel he could fient you into knots. He could KO his opponent with either hand.

I basically described Ray Robinson but all those same attributes apply with Mr. Leonard.

 

I think tops in lightweight although i change my mind every now and again, i dont know in all time definatley within the top 15 i think though

 

No problem, I may have set myself up a bit since I rarely post. :good

True on what Ai. I was just pretty annoyed recently when thinking about how Tyson fan and Tyson's legacy are often taken lightly, when I see similar criticisms in a lot of professed Ali fans. Got dragged into an unsavory YouTube argument the other day...

:fire

 

Stop trying so hard to impress hipsters and come across as knowledgable you fruity goggle-eyed assblood.

Why do you people have to infiltrate the boxing world too? One of the last remaining strongholds of hetero-erectus. I woulda thought people punching each other in the face would be too primitive and classless for you slobs of green baby ****?

 

Heavyweights get underrated p4p.