Fury calling out on UFC champ Velasquez on Twitter

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Most world class boxers beat the top MMA fighters at their own game, but no top MMA fighter beats a world class boxer in the proper ring.

 

fury is a legend!

 

This is abit of a repost cos this came up last week.

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When are boxing fans gonna realise there are MMA fighters that come from a Muay Thai background and there's more than just HWs in MMA. :-(

I'm not an MMA guy, I'm a MT guy & I love boxing, have maximum respect for the fighters and the sport, have supplemented my MT skills heavily with boxing, so it’s safe to say I’m a fan. Boxing fans often talk about science and sure the sweet science is a beautiful thing to watch, but in the context of the argument getting made on this thread, the science is flawed. I’m not saying a top boxer can’t crossover to MMA and do well, at some time one probably will, but on the whole it ain’t gonna happen on a regular basis unless the boxer supplements heavily with MT & BJJ for quite sometime to unlearn all those “bad” habits. And that’s the point really isn’t it, the time it takes to make a boxer top quality is time NOT spent on the mat learning how to grapple or in Thailand learning how to clinch, knee, elbow and kick.

Good hands aren’t exclusive to boxing, they are core weapons to MT and even more so in K1 Kickboxing. This idea that only boxers know how to throw a punch is bit old hat and not true. Boxers struggle to beat Muay Thai fighters of equal caliber let alone MMA fighters and all the variables MMA fights bring to the table. The dynamics and “science” is just all wrong for a boxer. Boxers are ill equipped to defend against any strike other than a punch (you really don’t wanna be defending kicks with your arms!), but the most important issue all the boxing guys are missing is that due to being so heavily dependent on their hands their essential foot placement and the weight distribution between their feet makes them sitting ducks for a competent multi limbed striker like a Muay Thai fighter with a brutal low kick and powerful straight knees.

This thread’s all very hypothetical, so lets look at a bit of fact:

The most high profile and quality boxer ever to fight MMA is the KO King Yodsanan Sityodtong (Yodsanan 3K Battery) a.k.a. “The Thai Tyson” WBA Super Featherweight Champ with a record of 58-3-1 (47KOs). He debuted MMA in 2011 and has yet to set the MMA world alight. He is better placed than most boxers as he had a pro background in Muay Thai before he became a boxer. Nothing too great, he didn’t win a stadium belt, but he was a solid pro with dynamite hands.

Here he is fighting a quality MT fighter Bovy Sor Udomsorn. They fought twice with Bovy winning both times, dropping Yodsanan in the process and this is many years after Yod’s boxing debut. Bovy’s not a top tier MT fighter more like an MT version of Katsidis or Gatti, a warrior who’s always in good fights. Unfortunately this action packed round is all that’s available and you can see once the elbows & knees start sinking in the tide turns……and remember Yod’s got an MT background so imagine a boxer who doesn’t understand the complicated ”science” of MT!

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Now that leads us onto this MMA debut. It was the all round package of his eight limbed MT that won him the fight not his boxing.

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Look what happens when a better grappler gets hold of him.

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Make of it what you will, but he’s the best example of a quality boxer in the MMA ring we have. He’s better placed than most boxers cos of his deep MT background, but one things very clear it ain’t as easy to cross over to MMA as many have said it would be for a boxer. One thing many boxing fans don’t understand is just how fundamentally the addition of one extra weapon makes to the dynamic of a fight let alone 6 added on top of your fists and then with the ground game thrown in with 4oz gloves! I'd say that's a whole new aspect to the “sweet science”.

As I said before I think this “if a boxer crossed over to MMA……..” stuff is a bit of a red herring. IMO the best chance MMA & Boxing fans have of seeing top quality striking in the cage is if more Thais or Thai trained foreigners crossed over. But truth is there’s enough money to be made in Thailand and Asia at the top tier of Muay Thai to keep the Thais away. (I can hear a huge sigh of relief form every western MMA fighter under 70kgs!)

 

shame he hasnt got a lot of ability. greatest character since riddick bowe

 

Cain's response:

 

Boxing is the most corrupt Sport in the World, no honorable Mixed Martial Artist is going to give it a go (unless it's personal to them). Let alone The King of the Hill.... No matter much you think is to be made $$$$$.

Cain Velasquez was crush Tyson Fury as fine as dust, and blow him away.

Leave it to a street fighter like Kimbo Slice to test his luck in Boxing, where he can pad his record as long as he wants.

That's saying a lot, being that the Klitschkos been on a terror for the past few years. The Brothers must not impress you, some ******* for a Contender runs his mouth about MMA and people are falling in love overnight? Give me a break, Tyson Fury is a jerk off ignorant # who would further disgrace the Sport of Boxing, I believe Pro Boxers are like 0-2 in the Octagon. Anyone else from Professional Boxing that made it thus far was a bonafide Mixed Martial Artist.

 

classy as ever, fury is dragging boxing through the mud with his behaviour

 

People are still arguing about who would win? Nonsense. Fury is obviously using controversy to promote himself. My question is - why call out MMA fighters? Shouldn't his focus be on the Klitschkos? Any kind of attention is good for Fury but it's obvious he'll never be able to fight a UFC fighter (streetfight aside). If he took the **** out of Haye at least he'll have a chance to be in a big fight, become a Brit star, and make good money.

 

velasquez would win by brutal **** in the cage

 

As is half of esb with ignorance, resentment.

 

no bigots allowed in the mma forum, back to the british forum with ya

 

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what a load of ****