Myth: champs of the past wouldn't be champs if USSR had been able to compete

so after 12 years as an "professional" amateur Papp beats a young Jose Torres who was about 18 years old.....not sure what your point is here. same with any other amateur like stevenson or savon who were life time amateur grown men beating up 17 or 18 year olds

 

All of the disgustingly overrated American champs of the past should have asterisks next to their names because they were really only local champs, not world champs. They never competed against Eastern Europeans, Cubans, Africans, etc. in the pros.

Eastern Europeans are already taking over boxing and are dominating the higher weight classes. We're also dominating the amatuers. Most of those great amatuers will become great pros. This is just the beginning of the Eastern European domination.

The heavyweight division is better than it's ever been. There are more countries participating than ever before. The Klitschkos have dominated and cleaned out a global heavyweight division. All of the best heavyweights from America, Britain, Eastern Europe, Cuba, Africa, etc. have been defeated by the Klitschkos. The Klitschkos are real world champs, unlike those ridiculously overrated overhyped American frauds of the past.

Eastern European fighters are superior.

The Klitschkos would dominate any era.

 

Keep in mind that most Russian and East European fighter were here in 1920''and 1930's due to mass immigration form those places 1890-1926. Over a million grew up here, and also they were still allowed to travel here to fight till after world war 2.

 

How is one fight going to provide an answer?
Rigondeaux lost 12 fights as an amateur and other fighters have accomplished more than him as an amateur. There's a boxer now (Lomachenko) who has won close to 400 fights only losing once while winning 2 golds and 2 world champ golds at different weights and he's only 24.

 

The problem with comparing Amateur form and Pro form is that often in regards to the Eastern Bloc countries it was a case of men fighting boys as western boxers turned at fairly young age, yet the Eastern Euro fighters stayed AM.

 

Yes but the Ams are a young mans game really. Speed and workrate. So in a sense youth is an advantage in the Ams.

 

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• 1960: Italy wins at heavyweight, South Africa 2nd, Soviet bloc 3rd.
• Soviet Bloc wins 3x more medals than the USA.
• 1964: USA (·
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  USSR+Poland win 6x more gold medals than the USA.
  Soviet bloc wins everything from middleweight to featherweight
• 1968: USSR wins the most Gold medals.
  USA (·
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• 1972: Cuba wins at heavyweight. Soviet Bloc 2nd
• 1976: Cuba wins at heavyweight. Soviet Bloc 2nd
• 1980: USA boycotts the games. Cuba wins at heavyweight. Soviet Bloc 2nd
• —- Superheavyweight Division is established 201+ lbs —-
• 1984: Soviet Bloc boycotts the games. USA wins a record 9 gold medals.
• 1988: Canada (·
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• 1992: Cuba, Germany, Italy win everything from superheavyweight to light-welterweight
• 1996: Soviet Bloc (·
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  Cuba and Soviet Bloc win everything from superheavyweight to middleweight
• 2000: Great Britain (·
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  Cuba (·
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  Cuba and Soviet Bloc win everything from heavyweight to bantamweight.
• 2004: Soviet Bloc (·
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• 2008: Italy wins at superheavyweight, Soviet Bloc (·
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True, but weren't the rules very similar to pro rules in the Soviet era?

 

No headgear.

Let's continue with the Ams and look at the World Amateur Boxing Championships which started in 74.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Amateur_Boxing_Championships

Note the States are in third behind russia! Note also that even in the period the soviet nation competed in it (74-91) it is only 1 gold behind the total the USA has to date! In fact it has more in total overall! How on earth can someone suggest that had greatest amatuer of the 90's Oleg Saitov or the greatest am of the 00's Lomachenko turned pro they would not impact upon the rankings?? The T.S has an inferiority complex.

 

World titlests 2013

USA - 19
Mexico - 13
Europe - 11



European boxing except for Britain is a joke. Eastern European boxing even more so.


Outside the Klits who do they have? Adamek? Arthur Abraham lol!

 

-HW K2, Povetkin, Pulev. Who u got?

-CW Lebedev is consensus #1 Huck, Chakkiev (the future!) Adamek etc Who u got?

-LHW Michalkewski was avoided for years. Do u know who olympic gold medallist Henry Maske is?? Both were 2 of the best LHW's of the 90's ...Between them they beat the likes of Montell Griffin, Virgil Hill, Iran Barkley etc and u certainly have no monopoly on the division considering Pascal, Cleverly, Calzaghe. Who u got?

-SMW A welshmans division. Congrats on irish Andre Ward though...You are hardly dominating it though are you with the likes of Bika/Froch etc taking up the rest of the division and Calzaghe retiring!

-MW Golovkin is pretty much considered the future of the division with Pirog close on his heels. And you Abraham comment is laughable...Firstly he would have sparked out your #1/2 Taylor and Pavlik at MW had they met (he finished Taylor off and ended Dirells career before it ever got going LOL.) Abraham was a GREAT MW he's just a little too small for the more rangier SMW's...Who u got? Do u know GGG beat your hero Direll?

-LMW Undefeated Martyrosian is ranked #1 by the WBC. Martinez is not american...

-LWW Tszyu. Khabib and Shafikov are undefeated prospects about to make there charge..

Michalkewski, Tszyu and Abraham are 3 fine fighters who all reached the pinacle of there divisions. However The majority of elite eastern european amateurs still don't turn pro!

Just imagine had these guys turned pro:

Lomachenko 2x Olympic Gold, 2x World, Val Barker
Sapiyev Olympic Gold Val Barker
Artayev Olympic Gold Val Barker
Oleg Saitov 2x Olympic Gold Val Barker, 2x World Gold
Tishchenko 2x Olympic Gold, World Gold

Do u know who Vic Darchinyan is? He is an eastern european fighter not remotely as good as the above listed Ams yet is a 3 division world champion, having won eight titles in three different weight classes! Great fighter...you see what im getting at?

This is what the future of boxing above 160 looks like:

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Get used to it because we all know had the likes of Lomachenko turned pro 4 years ago Adrien Broner would not be as hyped as he is right now! And Saitov was every bit as good as Delahoya, believe me...

 

What really helped eastern European boxing was Germany, with universum an Sutherland, they built gyms an places for these boxers to come an make money an refine the art of boxing. Without these two gyms, my guess the eastern European would just be built as 'great white hopes' like golota, for a big paydays, even today. Cause America is more then likely were they would of went.

Honestly it is one complaint I have with the klitschkos is they dumped universum for more money. I think they should of tried to work together to form a stronger union. Sure universum was no doubt greedy, but they helped so many boxers get a chance they would not of got in America, including the brothers.

I think one reason why the Europeans have not got even further along is they have yet to really bring boxers over to America to fight after they have built a nice strong winning mentality in there minds, which is a waste. Look what khan is doing, that is what the euros should do. He might be losing, but he is getting one title shot after the other. First promoter that sets up a system to have top euros train an fight in America, with a good quality stable of boxers from Europe to spar with in a city like vegas, LA, Chicago, place like these will be rich. Ethnic match ups are some of the biggest paydays in boxing. K2 should by a gym an start bring guys over.

 

Maybe you should look at this before spouting your bogus propaganda.

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=432327