Jones was on the Juice

Well, Roy and his lawyers for one..

I have also read sources that both Jones and Hall were positive for Andro.


The big excuse was Roy took a an over the counter pill that contained Andro, which pretty much says he is guilty of taking the same steroid Mark McGwire took, and is very common in the MLB in the 90's.

So Roy admitted to taking a steroid..

People with this conspiracy theory are blowing it out of proportion..

What really happened, Is Roy didn't actually take the banned substance he admitted to, but some super hidden top of the line magic, that turns you into an athletic freak that Roy was, and it was completely responsible for how good he was, and what he was able to accomplish.atsch

People really reach with this..

 

Brits reach with a lot of things. It doesn't get worse, boxing-wise, when it comes to a Roy Jones topic though.

 

from what i've read about andro you are right in your analysis but wada considers andro an anabolic steroid. see my above post.

 

Complete ownage...

McGwire also took Andro, and was classified as an anabolic steroid by the Olympics... Very popular in the 90's for MLB players, I am sure many boxers also used it..

Case closed.

 

Right, let's get this straight . . .

What you're saying is that Roy Jones took a drug test and tested positive for Androstenedione, a substance that cannot be detected in a drug test?

As you can see, the only sign of doping in a test would be elevated testosterone levels, which could caused by from any number of anabolic steroids. This would fit in with the letter from the IBF to Jones saying he has failed his test for an anabolic steroid. So where exactly did this andro line come from? According to the sources above it wouldn't have shown up as andro in the test, and it wasn't directly referenced in the letter from the IBF, which still means that the only place that this was reported was in one article on ESPN. I guess ESPN must have a way of retesting samples several years later and detecting undetectable substances.

Interesting :think

 

holy ****, you don't even know what ripped fuel is. you would take ripped fuel right before you worked out or in this case, right before you fought. of course the levels are going to be high, both hall and jones would have just taken the ripped fuel to get any use out of it. i know some people who worked tough manual labor jobs would take ripped fuel when it first came out to help them get through the day. much in the way people take a 5-hr energy drink today.

andro CAN be dectected in a test but it supposedly gets out of your system quickly. your saying andro can't be detected but here's a story of a major league player who tested positive for andro. are they lying too? must be a conspiracy.

http://www.csnphilly.com/02/16/10/R...k-for-Opening-Day/landing.html?blockID=181232

In addition to time missed with the elbow injury, Romero served a 50-game suspension at the start of the season for testing positive for androstenedione in August 2008. He lost about $1.3 million in salary during the suspension.

Romero tested positive after taking an over-the-counter supplement called 6-OXO Extreme. Androstenedione, a banned substance in baseball, was not included on the supplement’s list of ingredients. Romero filed suit against Ergopharm Inc., the maker of the substance and a division of Proviant Technologies Inc., last summer.

btw, you can hate this guy as well.

 

op

 

please show proof of the press release. here's the original interview with richard hall in which the story on jones broke. if you look at the date at the bottom of the story, this interview took place in 2004. no one even knew about this story until a few years after the fight. how was there a press release three weeks after jones failed the test? and also, you don't refuse a B sample you idiot. it's taken from the original urine sample so if there is a substance detected, they test the B sample to see if the test is consistent. they chose not to test the B sample.

http://www.braggingrightscorner.com/aladdinhall.html

i am completely owning mother ****ers on this thread but it won't matter cause in a few days this same topic will come up and guys like shawnster, doyle and head will keep spewing their same **** and feel proud of themselves.

 

I think you may be right :rofl atsch

 

haha! the show might be over for this thread soon. i've busted the ts, shawnster and head all lying on this topic and have countered with facts and sources. honestly, i think this is some of my finest work.

 

I see that kmac laying the smack down ..I don't think they want a rematch

 

Literally cannot stop laughing at what i'm reading in here

A group of Jones fanboys trivialising cheating and going off on anthing but the real facts in one of the most pathetically desperate attempts ever try and protect their guilty idol :rofl

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firstly the Indiana Commisioner Jacob Hall








Here is our exclusive interview.





Boxinginsider.com: Did Roy Jones test positive after his fight against Richard Hall?

Jacob Hall: “Both of them did. Roy Jones tested positive for steroids. He was five or six times over an acceptable level. Hall was about ten times above an acceptable level. He didn’t mention that in his interview (the now infamous interview of July 18 with Bragging Rights Corner and Doghouse Boxing).

A letter was sent to both (Jones and Hall). The Indiana Boxing Commission followed up – I talked to Jones’ people and said we were going to declare the fight a no-contest, suspend and fine him. And at that time, Jones’ attorney Fred Levin and the Indiana Attorney General’s office got involved.

Indiana has no law on drug testing as probably the majority of the states in the U.S. do not. The drug testing company sent us the results. Most states that don’t have drug testing laws, the test results go back to the sanctioning bodies. I think most people are surprised at that. What do the sanctioning bodies do when they get positive test results? Suspend? Fine? They didn’t in this case. And there’s no way you’re going to know about it.

Through his attorney, Jones admitted he had been taking an over-the-counter product called Ripped Fuel. That’s not illegal but it is an anabolic steroid according to the IBF and other other sanctioning bodies.



Boxinginsider.com: So he did test positive. He did take Ripped Fuel.

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, but he did test positive and admitted to taking a steroid.


The IBF chose to do nothing. They wanted a second test to be done. But why take a second test when he failed the first one and admitted to taking a steroid? That’s where it ended.

No action was taken. Nobody did anything.

We couldn’t take action (because there is no drug testing law in the state of Indiana) but what we agreed to was before his next two fights, Roy Jones would submit the results to more drug tests to Indiana. One fight was in Louisiana and those results were negative. And the other was in California, and those results were negative.

What surprised me about this is that the IBF chose not to do anything. And I have documents…what I’m saying, I can back-up. So I’m not concerned with that.

Roy Jones’ people were very cooperative and very easy to work with to reach a settlement. Also, I did tell Roy Jones that there are some amateur boxing clubs here in Indiana and he did send a check in the amount of $250 for the Indianapolis PAL.”

Boxinginsider.com: Wow, that’s hard to believe – that only one media outlet from France has called you about this.

Jacob Hall: “All I saw on any of the websites was that Murad Muhammad said Roy Jones tested positive for take some (nasal decongestant). But that was innaccurate. This was not a nasal decongestant.”

Boxinginsider.com: Does the state of Nevada have a law on drug testing?

Jacob Hall: “Yes. Most states do not. Nevada does have drug testing. I think most people are surprised at that…they think all boxers are tested. For some time I’ve tried to get a law passed similar to Nevada but we haven’t got that done yet. If the sanctioning bodies choose not to take action, there isn’t a lot the state commissions can do. That’s why I’m in favor of a Federal Commission like the one Senator John McCain is proposing.”











Heres Marian Muhammad (head of the IBF)


http://blackathlete.net/2005/10/marian-muhammad-speaks-out-on-roy-jones-and-the-steroids-issue/


QUESTION: Ms. Muhammad, may I ask you if in fact the IBF was the lead organization for the Jones-Hall championship fight in May 2000?

MMUHAMMAD: No, it was the WBA’s lead…

QUESTION: May I ask you then why did the letters notifying Roy Jones, Jr. and Hall about their positive tests for anabolic steroids came from the IBF?

MMUHAMMAD: Because they tested positive for substance(s) that are supposed to be banned by our organization. Roy took our title into the ring; it doesn’t matter who the lead organization was. It doesn’t matter if you tested positive for something that was against any of the organization’s rules.

QUESTION: To the best of your knowledge can you tell me if you know whether the other organizations took any kind of action on this matter. Did they send a letter, anything?

MMUHAMMAD: No, not to the best of my knowledge, they didn’t and I communicated directly with Mr. Jones, Mr. (Richard) Hall because I got the positive specimens back. I told them what the IBF rules said.

QUESTION: I realize that you were not the president of the IBF when this fight took place, so I hope this is not an unfair question. But, was the IBF supposed to have acted on those positive tests?

MMUHAMMAD: To the best of my knowledge, yes.

QUESTION: Should the organization have done something?

MMUHAMMAD: The rules state that if he tested positive the second portion of the specimen should have been sent to a lab of his choice and the local Commission for testing, and if that specimen came back positive, then that could be grounds for vacation of the title.

QUESTION: According to my conversation with Jacob Hall, Richard Hall’s attorney asked that the second specimen be tested, and it is my understanding that nothing was done regarding Richard Hall. Did the rules not apply to him?

MMUHAMMAD: Remember, the WBA was the lead here, it was a WBA mandatory. If Hall had been the IBF champion… the only thing we could do was test the winner, and the winner happened to be Roy Jones, Jr. who was the champion. Richard Hall wasn’t even rated by the IBF.

QUESTION: And to the best of your knowledge, (and ours), they didn’t, correct?…

MMUHAMMAD: Well, I only know that on Richard Hall we got nothing but I have a positive test from Roy Jones, Jr. that was directed to Mr. Jake Hall at the Indiana Boxing Commission, indicating that Mr. Jones tested positive for anabolic steroids.

QUESTION: I realize that 2-1/2 years have gone by, and perhaps you don’t remember… but I have copies of the letters sent by the IBF to Richard Hall and to Roy Jones, and they both bear your signature, as then Secretary of the organization…

MMUHAMMAD: That’s correct and there was also another one that Ms. Knight herself asked me to send… She asked me to send them, (the letters), I sent them. Then she herself sent one to …

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QUESTION: The fight was in May? Why such of long lapse of time?

MMUHAMMAD: I can’t tell you… Once I did what she asked me to do, it went from there… I don’t know what happened after that…

QUESTION: Can you think of any reason why this situation was never unearthed before the Richard Hall interview with Bragging Rights Corner’s Aladdin Freeman?

MMUHAMMAD: Well, I really don’t know… I know that I saw something on the net at one time, immediately after the fight, but nobody never called me, and when I spoke to Jacob Hall after I got his letter, he said that the Indiana Commission had no way to deal with anabolic steroids intake because it was not covered in their rules, not even banned by Indiana, so he couldn’t do anything anyway, that’s what he told me.

I was not aware of any of the arrangements that were made between Fred Levin, Roy Jones’ attorney and Mr. Jacob Hall from the Indiana Boxing Commission. (Editor’s Note: Ms. Muhammad is referring to the charitable contribution which was asked of Roy Jones, Jr. and which he submitted, in the form of a check for $250, dated Oct. 27, 2000, to the Indianapolis Police Athletic League).


QUESTION: I would like to ask you if you have been asked any questions regarding this incident and Roy’s use of a sinus medication which according to some members of his camp could have caused the positive test results…

MMUHAMMAD: No one has… I’ve only spoken to Jake Hall, period. I’ve never spoken to anyone from Roy’s camp including his attorney. I haven’t spoken to anyone from any internet sites, I DON’T READ THEM, believe it or not. Nobody has ever called me about Roy Jones testing positive.

QUESTION: Are you aware that members of Roy Jones, Jr. have gone on record saying that his sinus medication could have been the culprit for his positive reading?

MMUHAMMAD: This is the first I’ve heard of any of it since 2000, nobody has ever contacted me about anything, and like I said, when it was going on I only communicated with Jake Hall, period.

 

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Andro was an absolutely worthless supplement. A test precursor that did little but aromatise into estrogen once in the body. An absolutely worthless performance enhancer! Test boosters, usually including tribulus, avena sativa etc, can raise test levels to the high normal range in an adult male, but not to supra-physiological levels. Anyone who believes those stories know absolutely nothing, and are fooling themselves.

Similarly, all the anti PED crusaders, are living in a disgusting amount of denial when it comes to high level sports and the culture surrounding them. It is commom place all over the damn globe. Cleaning up combat sports is impossible. The tests are literally a joke, and use of PEDs is almost a necessity for some athletes. The number of PED users would blow your mind if a thorough random test was performed today on all boxers.