Am I the only one who wishes Margarito wouldn't have taken the Pacquiao fight?

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  1. Same here man. I am a Cotto fan first but if it was Cotto that night I think it would have ended late again.
     
  2. Mega Lamps

    Mega Lamps Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Nice to see Cyrax does his research, unlike most others here.

    Its funny how some people say Margarito had to be cheating to do that much damage to Cotto's face; did they not see Pac-Cotto? Cotto may have looked even worse then.
     
  3. cyrax99

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    Pretty much this. Just like some fighters cut easily, while others rarely/never do, some fighters are prone to facial swelling. Hell, anyone who watched Joe Frazier fights knows exactly what I'm talking about, his face swelled like a balloon. His face looked much worse than Cottos when they stopped the fight in the "Thrilla in Manilla."

    Add to that fact that Margarito throws 100+ punches a round, against a guy prone to facial swelling, it's easily conceivable why Cotto's face looked that way.
     
  4. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    No one officially knows what he did for the Cotto fight so our only resolution there is common sense. If he tried to load up against Mosley in a fight promoted as a tune-up for a Cotto rematch, why wouldn't he against Cotto in a fight known/promoted to be his last shot at glory? Add to that, his opponent was Puerto Rican and the Mexican/Puerto Rican rivalry speaks for itself.
     
  5. cyrax99

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    But again, the fact is, he didn't load up, it's impossible. Using plaster of paris on the hands simply is implausible, it couldn't work, as I've proven. If any brick like substance was used, it would completely shatter the delicate hand bones into a million pieces. Do you really think Margarito could be throwing 100+ full on power punches a round with two broken hands? This is not to mention his hands were fine, he was shaking hands with all of Cotto's people after the fight, showing his hands to the camera etc. it simply didn't happen. Finally, there is always someone from the other camp present for the wrapping...

    Margarito was caught using a bundle of old gauze in the Mosely fight. The ingredients they claimed were found on the wraps weren't even the proper ones for plaster of paris... They found trace elements of sulfar and calcium, TRACE elements (not to mention these ingredients are NOT in PoP.) That is much different than CALCIUM SULFATE, which is needed for plaster of paris. These may sound similar, but anyone with some basic chemistry knowledge knows they are VERY different compounds. There is a reason they never pressed charges, they had NO CASE. They wouldn't even allow a second, independent examination of the wraps, who in their right mind wouldn't if they believed some guy was trying to cheat?

    P.S: In the link I provided, Cleveland Williams clearly showed that Plaster Of Paris completely crumbles up, after hitting the bag 5 times, it had completely crumbled into a million pieces.
     
  6. Bazooka

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    Not only that, Lets just assume for one moment he had plaster for the first Cotto fight, Look at how he loaded up on them body shots, throwing 100 shots per round you would think after 11 rounds that Miguel would have had at least one broken rib, if anything a cracked rib.

    Truth is people hate Margarito, and are taking this bogus claim of loaded wraps and running with it.
    like I said when the story broke, The CSAC and the DA teamed up during the investigation once the lab results came back, the DA stepped down, its pretty obvious why.

    The elements found were sulfur and Calcium, sorry but thats not in Plaster Paris, what is in plaster paris is one compound called Calcium Sulfate, research it... there was nothing found in Margaritos wraps that are found in plaster paris
     
  7. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    The fact that boxers did this before proves the hand bones aren't as delicate as you think. You honestly think he was suspended for one year out of false information?, didn't his trainer confess even after he was caught?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TldjniQuiUc

    Have fun.
     
  8. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    You read my ****ing mind posted the same exact **** behind you, now they are going to argue Tony is a Chemist :-(
     
  9. Bazooka

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    His trainer confessed to what? Not loading the wraps, his trainer stated and this is on Cotto Margarito 2 24/7 episode 1, his trainer arrived late, did not have gauze with him used a set of used gauze that was already laying out on a table in the dressing room.

    He took responsibility for wrapping Margaritos hands and not checking the wraps thats all he admitted to, he didnt say he knowingly loaded his hand wraps he admitted he should have checked out those wraps prior to wrapping Margaritos hands.

    My question is who put those hand wraps there?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhnTbpMv7yQ
     
  10. cyrax99

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    When Williams did it, he had a ton of extra protection added to his hands for the demonstration, I've seen the full experiment article. These two facts are irrefutable

    1) No elements for plaster of paris found on Margarito's wraps
    2) If someone did use plaster of paris, it would most likely shatter their hands, not to mention Cleveland Williams proved it simply does NOT hold up with someone punching. It would break up into a million pieces, he'd of had chunks of plaster falling out of his gloves when they removed them.

    There was NO criminal case brought against Margarito, once the lab results came back, they shut up. They allowed no independent examinations at all, he did not cheat.

    As for the whole confession, that has already been addressed by Bazooka, I don't want to regurgitate the same info. I do respect you alot for having an open mind, and defending your points, unlike those who just say "OMG **** MARGARITO, CHEATING *******!!!" Without ever knowing ****.
     
  11. Scar

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    Why would he and his trainer get brutally punished/suspended for actions they didn't know about? You honestly want to tell me these guys have no idea about wrappings when they literally made a living doing this? No offense, but I'm not going to watch a bitter pathetic unprofessional fan-made video. If he was proven innocent you bet your ass that would be made public for everyone to know. You guys try to make it sound like the boxing world has some sort of conspiracy against the "most feared man on the planet" when in reality Margarito is as mediocre as the average journeyman. He was caught loading up and was banished for it, simple.
     
  12. Bazooka

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    Whats funny in all of this, most of the fans still to this very day swear up and down that the Dye on the hand wrap is Cottos blood :patsch
    But it lets you know what kind of stupid ****ing people are around there is NO WAY possible that your opponents blood can seep through a 8 ounce glove and get on your hand wraps that is 10000000% impossible but they swear up and down its Cottos blood :verysad
     
  13. Scar

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    Again I repeat my one and only question, why was he suspended and his trainer permanently banned if it was proven they didn't cheat or attempt to do so? Can't Margarito take legal actions to enhance his public image after the "false" controversy?, why didn't he exercise that right to the fullest?
     
  14. Scar

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    I'm not discussing the Cotto fight, I'm discussing what happened when he was caught before facing Mosley. My point was clear about the Cotto fight, all we could do there is speculate using common sense. If he's going to load up for Mosley in a fight promoted as a tune-up, he sure as **** would do so against Cotto in a fight promoted as his last shot and against a Puerto Rican to boot.
     
  15. Bazooka

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    The question should be if he were Guilty and they really believed that why no independent testing on the wraps why no criminal case? bottom line Los Angeles is DLH country I am confident Oscar was behind this scandal and if you think our Commission here has a group of honest people running it you better think again...
    CSAC is one of the worst and most corrupt commissions in the world they can be bought.