Jones was on the Juice

kmac,

Kmac is the man! :deal

 

Happy new year mate!

I just wanted to remind you that I was right, DM did duck Roy. Haha! I'm only joking! God, what a battle that was that we had. You're relentless!

I need at least another months rest before we get into another debate. Ha!

 

Happy new year mate!

How's things?

 

Androstenedione is an anabolic steroid...

The steroid experts in this thread, think otherwise I guess...

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/od/performanceenhancingdrugs/a/Androstenedione.htm


Mark McGwire used it also, very popular at the time... Roy pretty much admits to taking this, what the whole obsession over how long it took him to admit to it is what I don't get. Like he is hiding some special juice that gives you the fast reflexes, and insane athletic ability..

The funny thing is, people can not come close to proving otherwise, and act as if they know what the hell they are talking about... NONE, of us can know for absolute certainty who did not use a PED in their entire career, and it has been all over boxing for years, with very little testing. The people who deny that fact, are the the real ones in denial..

Boxing is an honest man's sport, except for the exposed few "cheaters" that had to seek out medical advancements to gain an advantage over their straight forward, honest and clean opponents.

 

I could link you to several actual medical studies which show andro is useless. It does very little besides convert to estrogen once processed in the body. It cannot produce a 6 to 1 ratio in the basic test, as it does not elevate serum testosterone levels. It was a flawed testosterone precursor. It does little to nothing for performance enhancement. It was used as a shield and smokescreen excuse at the time because it was legal, which drew attention away from what athletes were really taking. It`s chemical structure when looked at says steroid, but once in the body, the interactions and it`s conversion make it absolutely useless.

 

http://www.udel.edu/chem/C465/senior/fall00/Performance1/andro.htm.html

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another good article from 2000. the year jones tested positive for andro.

http://www.sportsci.org/jour/0003/lmb.html

Here is a list of some ingredients in supplements and sports drinks that are either directly banned by the International Olympic Committee's Medical Commission or that have been shown to cause a positive doping outcome in some people:

Ephedrine
Pseudoephedrine
Strychnine
Caffeine (if consumed in sufficiently high quantities to produce a urinary caffeine concentration of >12 µg/ml)
Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA)
Androstenedione, androstenediol
19-norandrostenedione, 19-norandrostenediol and related compounds

Now that these products are named on the IOC list of prohibited substances, an athlete who declares an intake of these substances will be deemed to have doped. An athlete who takes these products and gives a urine test carries a risk of testing positive. The newer pro-hormone products androstenedione, androstenediol, and DHEA may lead to an elevated testosterone/epitestosterone ratio (Bowers, 1999; Uralets and Gillette, 1999), and the 19-nor products may lead to a positive test for metabolites of the steroid Nandrolone.

 

:rofl:rofl What a lame ass dude!! WOW...Are you serious???

 

Andro is proven to raise testosterone levels.. Is is classified is an anabolic steroid and a schedule III controlled substance in the US.

 

That goes against actual medical case studies with bloodwork. It has been proven to aromatise mainly into estradiol and estrogen derivatives, in controlled studies with adult males. As a testosterone pre-cursor, it requires conversion within the body to testosterone, as it is not complete in its oral form....however, it does not appear to readily convert to test, or has not been proven to without question........explaining why no one got good gains off it, and lots experienced estrogen related side effects like bloat and gyno.

It is scheduled as an anabolic simply because of it`s chemical nature.....which is entirely different than it`s actual action and effect when in the body. Which is all negative side effects, with no true performance enhancement. It`s been classified and banned because of it`s chemical structure, the media coverage it received, and it`s dangerous side effects for males, not because it is effective as a PED. It is not. It is clear why committees and countries made it illegal, but it has little to do with it raising serum testosterone.

 

I was expecting to see some proof and there is none.

Secondly who was not on it

 

Should note that andro is dangerous and should most definitely be banned. But it is absolute garbage as a PED. Those who used it as an excuse, along with `test boosters`are blowing smoke, as 6:1 and higher isn`t going to be acheived with either compound in pretty much any case, unless insane and unsafe mega doses were used....in that case, andro could possible raise free serum test to a degree which could be detected, but the negative side effects would be massive while trying to acheive that. It`s ineffective conventionally, and there are actual PEDs that work.

 

i hate to be like some on these boards and just keep re-posting the same info but your claim that you can't get a 6:1 ratio with andro is not holding up with what other info says.

http://www.udel.edu/chem/C465/senior/fall00/Performance1/andro.htm.html

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