Jones was on the Juice

Possible, but not likely. Real steroids were likely the culprit. As mentioned, andro`s ability to affect serum testosterone was hotly debated, and the most credible studies have proven it relatively ineffective in doing that. It was scheduled more for public safety than for it`s ability to enhance an athlete and give them an unfair edge. Again, possible for a positive test in ridiculous doses or long long term use, but not likely given much safer and effective alternatives that were proven to work as advertised for decades before the advent of testosterone precursors. There is a reason they are off the shelves (beyond public health) and don`t exist in underground markets (where any former over the counter product can be obtained in some form)...they don`t work as advertised. Not saying impossible....but highly highly improbable.

 

What is your take on how popular they are in boxing over the last 30 years?? Do you find it likely that a large number of boxers used some sort of PED at least once in their career, and weren't tested or caught?

 

wow! nice post. he posted probably an hour ago. i guess i'm supposed to sit at my computer all day and what for a response. if you chose to believe what juice writes compared to the proof i've given throughout this thread, that is fine.

your post here was life changing. your opinion means so much.

 

i wanted to put your post in the font size it belonged. you don't refuse a B test. it's taken during the original test. jones wouldn't go take another test for his B sample. how can someone post so much about something that they know so little? more lying but that's what your the king of on these boards.

these boards look at you like you look at roy jones; a liar.

 

Don't mix my words, you know exactly what i ment. Resorting to going off on tangents and arguing minor details in a twisted fashion sums up your laughable contribution to the entire thread.


Let me just enlarge those facts again that render your entire presence in this thread as that of a deluded little fanboy that cannot see the wood for the trees due to his obsessive man love for Roy Jones Jnr :roflatsch

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you're saying that andro does not cause positive tests but it does show up on drug testing as reported in the following cases. the tests show what they tested positive for. your last post has been proven wrong by everything that's listed here.

major league baseball
1 - http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3812620
2 - http://www.baseballssteroidera.com/bse-list-steroid-hgh-users-baseball.html (the andro users have an asterisk by their name because it was legal to buy)
3 - http://www.csnphilly.com/02/16/10/R...k-for-Opening-Day/landing.html?blockID=181232

national football league
1 - http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...k0E0AAAAIBAJ&sjid=nOkFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3400,132503

olympic sports
http://www.usada.org/sanctions/ (there are a number of positive tests for andro)

boxing
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2782402 :deal

anytime there's a positive test of an athlete, the substance is given. kieran mulvaney who wrote this story for espn reported that it was andro for jones and hall. not sure why this is so hard to believe besides for the fact that it proves jones took a substance that was considered illegal by the IBF but you could buy it at the store. jones' people said he took ripped fuel. there was never a mention of andro by them and there was no press release. everytime i ask for proof of this press release, i see nothing. also, how would mulvaney be able to report that hall tested positive for the same thing if he didn't have some proof?

 

minor details??? you're saying jones refused to give a drug test for the B sample. that's not true. they would already have the B sample to test and the powers that be chose not to do so. i realize in responding to this, i couldn't be responding to a more irrational person but your lying has to stop at some point. ok, you think jones was a cheater and a disgrace. that's fine but quit making things up to support your argument.

 

You knew exactly what i ment, you just chose to translate my words to your twisted agenda as a bid to deflect from those wonderfull facts that are the final conclusion of this thread.

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Positive tests for andro do not necessarily mean failure of the test to epitest ratio. The basic blood panel for banned substances tests for test, epitest, DHT (which andro affects), 19-nors, andros, progesterone, ratios between test and estrogen (which andro dramatically affects) and so on. So yes, it is dectectable, as it is screened for, along with all other related and inter related metabolites and hormones ratios. It is unlikely to cause serum testosterone levels to break the 6 to 1 ratio. It is detectable in the screening panel, and a banned substance is a banned substance. So, you`re right, but i`m not wrong either.

 

I`d assume they are regularly used. Stimulants, weight cutting aids, strength and mass builders, endurance aids.....yeah they get used and probably by a good percentage of fighters either regularly, or periodically. Sure some fighters remain clean, but I think that number isn`t as high as those who have dipped into the peds at one time, or on a regular basis. I have met amateur boxers who use stuff....the pros are no different and probably worse when you consider money and careers are at stake.

 

And as long as you're not an idiot there's virtually no chance of failing your one post fight drugs test.

 

you seem to know your stuff on this topic but for a test to be failed, it has to be at a 6:1 ratio or over as i posted earlier. anything under that would have been considered a clean test and would have never been reported.

 

shauster timidly coming back onto this topic. check with me before you post next time since i own you on these boards.

just kidding with you man. i'm sure your a good dude. we get a little heated on these topics and talk a lot of ****. it's easy when you hide behind a keyboard. i understand your points and you come across as a reasonable guy. no one likes cheats and jones may have cheated is whole career but so may have everyone else. i just think in this case jones being crucified for using an over-the-counter supplement that had an illegal substance is ridiculous.

 

actually, i wasn't trying to twist your words but the way you have rewritten your point makes sense now. i don't understand your reason for posting this though. jones admitted to taking the illegal substance. i don't think anyone that's on either side of this argument is denying that jones took an illegal substance. you just refuse to accept the report that it was andro by respected british boxing writer, kieran mulvaney.