Jake Lamotta vs current Supermiddleweights

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  1. Nagabilly

    Nagabilly Member Full Member

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    I hear all the time that the Raging Bull was not really a middleweight. He always had trouble making 160 yet he was also too small for 175. So I wonder, how would he have done against current top 168 lbs fighters of today?

    Andre Ward
    Mikkel Kessler
    Carl Froch
    Lucian Bute
    Arthur Abraham
     
  2. Theron

    Theron Boxing Addict banned

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    He would have beat them all, none of them can knock him out and none of them i think are really willing to fight him the way you have to fight Lamotta to win, even if they did fight him lets be honest these guys are no sugar rays or anything theyre just great for now, the bar has been lowered because of how boxing is now if you transported all these guys to the era of the 1930's or 40s or you take the best middleweights welterweights whoever you like and put them in with Hagler,Hearns,Duran,Leonard ect would they still really be champions...
     
  3. lufcrazy

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    He beats bute and Abraham.

    Hard to puck between him and Kessler.

    Froch and Ward beat him.
     
  4. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lamotta is thought of as a crude tough slugger by those that are uninformed. Reality was that he was real cute in there.....very aware of distance...always rolling, blocking and slipping blows. None of the middleweights today would be able to handle him.
     
  5. Nightcrawler

    Nightcrawler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    but the super middles? i see ward taking him wide. against froch, he'd still be much smaller but what a ****ing war!
     
  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I would expect him to beat everybody except perhaps Ward.
     
  7. Mega Lamps

    Mega Lamps Well-Known Member Full Member

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  8. dyna

    dyna Boxing Junkie banned

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    Why did Lamotta have such a low KO ratio?
     
  9. dyna

    dyna Boxing Junkie banned

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    It probably also had to do something with his style I bet.

    Hagler wasn't a dynamite hitter either and got a marvelous 78%KO percentage, though he could have reigned a not very strong era (maybe).
    A chubby past lw went 15 rounds with Hagler but Duran was a different beast all together.
     
  10. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    KO% is more a reflection of competition than power in most cases.

    Fighters who consistently fight a high level of opposition and have a high KO%, are few and far between.
     
  11. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    LaMotta was heavier by a considerable margin against a lot of guys he fought, in many cases considerably more (Robinson, of course but also Tommy Bell, Zivic and many others. In these fights he would be the smaller guy and would also give up strength.

    LaMotta lost to a lot of guys with nowhere near the credentials of these guys. He would lose most or all of these fights.
     
  12. KOTF

    KOTF Bingooo Full Member

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    The problem here is that these SMW are actually 180 lbs
     
  13. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    H, without a doubt LaMotta would be MW champ today, but as a LH he would not be as effective. That is WHY LaMotta started his career as a LH
    but figured it out that he would be much more effective ,STARVING himself to make the 160 pounds...IN those tougher days after WW2 there were but
    '8 divisions and if you couldn't make 160 pounds you were deemed a lightheavyweight...Fighters in the 1940s by neccesity knew how to tackle fighters many pounds heavier than they were than today...Would LaMotta beat an Andre Ward at 168 pounds ? 50/50...
     
  14. brnxhands

    brnxhands Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You seen him outjab robinson?
     
  15. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    he would be smaller than those guys but none of them fight a clinch heavy style. Froch would be close, but power is his weapon and its not worth much v lamotta. imo ward has too much class, handspeed and size for lamotta. he wins the rest though dirrel could make things difficult for a while.