Jack Dempsey v Muhammad ali

Yes but not really at the beggining of the fight when Dempsey was best, and i dont really see him doing well trying to match Dempsey when Dempsey throws combinations he will move backwards and with Dempsey being so explosive i believe that's where he will get him, When did Ali face a man with so much ferocity, and a man that has a lot of power as well as speed and will put his punches together in great combinations

 

I've need to find some clear film on Dempsey (to no avail) before I can make a good judgement. :conf

 

It's not extremley grainy or anything? Carpentier Willard Firpo all good footage

 

With all due respect, anyone who has Dempsey as no. 1 h2h is far more guilty of bestowing godlike status on their idol.

For the record i see a '71 Frazier giving both Louis and Dempsey all they could handle and if Cooper, Shavers, Lyle etc landed their sunday best on eithers chin it's gonna get interesting.

 

Yeah but boxing isnt just oh whoever can hypothetically hit the other on the chin hardest might win, theres a reason Shavers is the hardest puncher in history but not the best boxer ever, he got knocked out by guys much much less than a Joe Louis or Jack Dempsey becasue they had skill/power ect, if those way worse boxers could actually knock out Shavers because they were more skilled what happens when he actually meets a hard puncher like Dempsey or Louis with power skill and chin, just cause they have power dosen't mean they can automatically win people forget their losses and give guys like Shavers unfair chances because of his power, where in reality guys like Louis and Dempsey have towers more skill than the guys who knocked out Shavers or beat the guys you wrote on your list...

 

I think Ali would win a newspaper decision

 

J, of course Clay/Ali threw fast combos at times...Sure did, but he quite often had to resort to putting his hands against the sides of his head, catching his breath and allowing his opponents to punch him at will, thus tiring themselves...He even practiced the rope-a-dope in the gym...
Against a Joe Louis this strategy wouldn't work as it did against a Foreman and others, as Louis NEVER wasted a punch and could thread a needle
through Ali's mitts. It is said by experts that Ali took more headshots in the gym than necessary practicing this method of rope-a-dope...:good

 

How much one punch KOs does Shavers have in total?
just one

 

Fierce at heavyweight they are, these Asians.

 

Fleischer who saw them all from Johnson to Ali rated Dempsey as the "roughest" of all heavyweight champions. His fav combination....right to the heart and left hook to the chin he rated as the most destructive combination in hwt boxing history.

 

Foreman has very few aswell. Nobody doubts his power. 1 punch KO power is a special kind of power, but it doesn't always mean 1 person punches harder than another. Marciano had more 1 punch KOs than Shavers and Foreman combined, but both are considered harder punchers.

Regarding Dempsey vs Ali, I think Ali would win a pretty comfortable decision over Dempsey. I think he just overall is a poor match up for Jack (taller, faster, great chin, great distance control, great jab, good stamina) and would outbox Jack.

 

Film allows us to see them all from Dempsey to Ali, just like Fleischer saw, and I do not agree with Fleischer on many points, including Dempsey.

 

:tong

 

Fleischer had the historic benefit of seeing the greats of the gilded age.

And if you shook his head his brain would have rattled like a bean in a boxcar.

 

Unfortunately for you it was not just Fleischer. Ray Arcel among many other all time great trainers rated Dempsey as one of the very best. Watching him fight on silient film does not do Dempsey as well as any fighters from that period or before justice. Arcel stated the following about Dempsey..."What Dempsey had you can't teach." When you watch Dempsey, just like when you watch Louis, Johnson or Ali, you are watching one of the greatest fighters ever to live. EACH was rated in their time as an all time great by experts of the period.