Vasyl Lomachenko' debut without the headgear

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  1. ROACH

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    I didn't even say Lomanchenko was a bad fighter, I just said he's up against some serious obstacles.

    I didn't say he wouldn't be elite.

    You're making too many assumptions.
     
  2. dealt_with

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    You said he's a short southpaw (he's not), that he doesn't have elite athleticism or reflexes. I'm not making any assumptions, those idiotic words were typed by you. I wouldn't be surprised if the video I posted is all you've seen of him.
     
  3. ROACH

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    Maybe I'm putting too much emphasis on athleticism.

    The reality is Pacquaio and Whitaker are some of the best fighters of ALL TIME.

    I mean, in the history of the sport.

    So, I think that's unfair to compare Lomanchenko with Pacquaio or Whitaker at this point.
     
  4. stevebhoy87

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    I'd be inclinded to agree, but there will always be a bit of a question mark on it when you first start fighting competitively without the headgear on. I think he will be fine in that regards but only time will tell for sure.

    Talking about Selimov would love to see him and Lomachenko get in the ring in the WSB, would be a quality bout.
     
  5. dealt_with

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    On resume and pro legacy, of course. Head to head skill wise and taking in all the different aspects of boxing then he's far ahead of Pac imo, and somewhere around the boxing-genius level of Whitaker. Some fans have described him as an aggressive Pernell Whitaker with a punch and I don't think that description is far off the mark. If Lomachenko carries his amateur form into the pro game (he already has a pro style so it's not as far a stretch) then he won't be one of the best fighters of all time but THE best fighter of all time. You've gotta understand that nobody has ever had an amateur career as dominant as Lomachenko's, one close loss that was shortly avenged out of nearly 400 fights, it's unheard of. Two olympic golds at two different weights, two world championships at two different weights... if any fighter in the world deserved some premature hype it is Lomachenko. Wait and see, that's all I'm saying.

    It doesn't matter how much emphasis you put on athleticism, Lomachenko has it by the bucket loads. Just because he fights in a technically perfect style doesn't mean that he doesn't have athleticism, there are plenty of videos of teenage Lomachenko throwing bolo punches and showboating with his hands by his waist knocking opponents down. In training he walks around on his hands doing push ups and he does one arm pull ups with ease, he is elite of the elite when it comes to athleticism.
     
  6. dealt_with

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    Yeah definitely. Selimov and Lomachenko are in different groups so hopefully Ukraine and Azerbaijan can win their respective groups and face off, what a fight that would be with the old rivals going head to head in the final without headgear. Give me that, you can keep Donaire vs Rigondeaux!
     
  7. ROACH

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    Honestly, I hope he becomes a star. Boxing needs more stars.

    From what you describe, he does sound very strong and athletic. Hopefully he goes on to have a great career; however, I do think it is a bit pre-mature to say he could beat Broner at this point, but in the future, as he gains experience, I can see how it's possible, especially considering his amateur credentials.

    You're right, I haven't seen enough of him to make a determination, and perhaps I jumped the gun.

    I was only pointing out how difficult it can be for a southpaw to do well, depending on physical attributes, but his skill and overall athleticism can defenitely overcome the disadvantges he may run into in the future regarding his height.

    Like you said though, at 5'7'' he's not short. From what I've seen I do agree, if he tightens up his game in regards to punching, and starts producing knockouts, he could be a star.

    Boxing needs more stars.

    I do agree with you that it does require a great deal of dedication and athleticism to do walking handstand pushups.

    I personally don't know anyone that can do that.
     
  8. dealt_with

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    He's a freak athlete with the work ethic to go with it, just appreciate it.
    He is a very heavy puncher with a lot of knockouts in the amateurs, particularly body punch stoppages. If he was going the usual pro route it would be KO1, KO1 and so on. These guys in WSB are top amateurs, it's very hard to stop a guy who knows how to box and survive in 5 rounds. Maxwell was very cautious with all the physical advantages and spoiling tactics and yet he still almost got stopped when Lomachenko turned it on in the 4th round. If it wasn't for the 8-count and it being the end of the round it would've been over for Maxwell, his body had been destroyed and it would've just been target practice for Lomachenko before a ref jumped in to stop it. Maxwell is the sort of guy who would be getting plenty of early knockouts against opponents himself if he went the usual pro route and Lomachenko basically toyed with him.
     
  9. conraddobler

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    you have a lot of enthusiasm for Lomachenko, which is great. Saying he'll be the greatest of all time after his 5 round debut is maybe getting ahead of ourselves, notwithstanding his superb amateur career.

    I doubt he and Broner ever meet in the pros, as Broner will be in a higher weight class.

    Other possibilities: Donaire (although he'd be older), Gamboa (older too)?
     
  10. dealt_with

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    Broner's next fight is at lightweight isn't it? Broner already looks quite top heavy and filled out to me. I hope Boner is around the weight in a few years time, like every other fan I want to see the best fight the best and I am a fan of Broner, he has an exciting style and the out of ring attitude to bring in fans. Donaire I think is a bit on the small side and as you say will be a bit old at that point, Gamboa might be getting on a bit at that point and I think he looked like he had regressed in his last fight (might've been ring rust) so I don't know what direction he'll take. Personally I don't think Gamboa has or ever had a good style to deal with Lomachenko, Lomachenko always dealt with the Cuban style very well in the amateurs.
     
  11. angry cuban

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    I don't know why you said that but...Guillermo Rigondeaux is two times Olympic gold medalist, 4 times world amateur champion, 2 centroamerican and caribean champ and two times panamerican champ 488 wins..there is also teofilo Stevenson case 3 times olympic gold medalist, 3 times world amateur champ, 2 times centroamerican champion..Mario Kindelan 2 times olympic gold medalist( defeat Amir Khan two times), 3 times world champion, 2 times panamerican champ and 2 times centroamerican and caribean champion....Ariel hernandez 2 times Olympic gold medalist, 2 times world champ, 2 pan and 1 centroamerican and caribean...and the glorified Felix Savon 3 times olympic gold medalist, 6 times world amateur champion, 4 times panamerican champion, 4 centroamerican champion...all of those above mentioned have more than 500 wins with only couple of losses at the end of their careers fighting tougher competition since they are cubans so they have to win first the cuban championship which is probably harder than the world championship...greetings..
     
  12. conraddobler

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    Oh, but Gamboa excels against the Ukranian style, so it's a wash.
     
  13. dealt_with

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    Notice I said dominant? All those guys have more losses than Lomachenko and some of your numbers are completely wrong. I've heard that Cuban championship line used before which makes no sense, if it's harder to win that than a world championship then why don't they all go on to win the world champs? The Cubans who won their national championships at feather/lightweight could never beat Lomachenko. Rigondeaux had 11 losses as an amateur and he had 2 world champs, not 4 as you claimed. Felix Savon won his third olympic gold at age 33, if Lomachenko stayed amateur until that age he could have four.
    Not trying to disrespect Cuban fighters as I'm a big fan of Cuban boxing but I stand by my statement of Lomachenko being the most dominant amateur boxer of all time. In the Euro's you're facing top competition and Ukraine nationals aren't too shabby either btw.
     
  14. withoutwire

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    Very overrated boxer.
     
  15. dealt_with

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    :lol: Lomachenko doesn't have a 'Ukraine style' whatever that is while the Cubans have a well established style for their fighters that Gamboa is the embodiment of. You're Cuban aren't you? :lol: No disrespect, I like Gamboa too and hope he looks better next time out.