Ring Magazine belts- how is this fair:

You have an argument for Garcia not having faced top opposition. But certainly not Salido. A fight between Salido and Garcia is more relevant to the division than John VS some unranked guy in Indonesia. Ideally, there would be one belt, and Salido would be John's mandatory, giving John the choice. Since it's vacant, and John has still somewhat made the choice by not fighting either of them, the most sensible subsequent decision is likely to award it to the two more relevant fighters.

If boxing is a business, then you can either take risks abroad or be safe at home making money against lower level opponents. But that doesn't mean your ranking is forever protected. That phrase doesn't justify sitting on a title or ranking and ignoring your contemporaries as they all face off against each other.

Andre Ward has cleaned out Super-Middleweight. Again, it's not about where the fighters do or don't travel to, it's whether they make the fights that need to be made. John doesn't because he's stuck in Indonesia. He hasn't cleaned out ****.

Broner isn't a top pound for pound fighter, I agree, but save that for another thread, it's irrelevant to the discussion. He moved up and in his first fight utterly destroyed the #1 ranked fighter of that division. He should inherit the spot. John hasn't faced a name opponent in his division since 2009, which was Juarez. See the difference?

You seem to be stretching far back and taking the sum total of their accomplishments. That may be how they stand all-time in their respective divisions, but not lately within timely rankings. P4P is about what you've done lately to stand out as the man at that weight, not what you've done years ago.

 

Does anyone give a ****?

 

Honestly, I have much less of an opinion on that one just because it doesn't strike me one way or the other, and perhaps that's my fault. I think perhaps the Salido-Garcia fight being for the ring is more striking to me than Burns-Vazquez not being for the ring belt simply because a relatively unproven fighter with promotional backing (Garcia) is basically bypassing John who happens to be the longest reigning title holder in the sport, with a decent resume (superior to Garcia's), and a record of 48-0-2. It's just my opinion that the Ring belt in this case should run through Salido and John at the moment, and if that fight doesn't happen, then it should remain vacant.

 

I dunno. Why did they say they couldn't ignore the official result of Pacquiao-Marquez III to affect their ratings, then 7 months later gladly ignored the official result of Pacquiao-Bradley to affect their ratings?

I don't know how it was back in the day but presently the Ring Magazine is currently employing a bunch of childish fanboys who do what they want and base their ratings on who they think is the cooler guy.

 

Hmmm, well I don't want to open a can of worms but the Pacquiao Marquez 3 could be argued it was a close but Pacquiao- Bradley was a clear robbery. (I can't remember the official numbers but of ringside press
asked it was something like 33- 24- 25 in favour of Marquez whereas the Pac-Man Bradley was 69- 1- 1 in favour of Pacquiao).

I think a better example would be how they didn't put Campillo above Cloud at light heavyweight. Whereas pretty much everyone so Campillo win at least 9 rounds.

 

Chris John could still be ranked #1. His dominance in the FEATHERWEIGHT division entirely for so many years is being overlooked here, by no surprise.

Further example of how every lineal title beginning with YPH/Cunningham II, the year 2012, should not be treated as a lineal champion, as far as the Ring goes. All lineages must be determined by and are now, unfortunately, truly up to the beholder.

I won't recognize the winner of Salido/Garcia as the 126 lineal champ, I just can't. Just like in my eyes the CW lineage is vacant, as is the 140 division. Garcia/Khan was not a match of the two best 140 pounders. No case could be made for Matthysse not being needed for a lineal vacancy to be filled.

 

No matter how much people pump their tyres up, The Ring is just a magazine. A magazine increasingly struggling for relevancy. And, just like the ABCs, when needs must, they're a business and will shape their rules to best suit their business.

Quite why some people treat the ring belt like Moses has descended from the mountain with a belt chiseled in stone after Gods whispered on his ear I don't know.

 

Pretty much agree. I can't just pretend like the longest reigning champion in the sport(who happens to hold a win over the great Marquez) isn't in the FW picture. Lineage would just be vacant to me. Especially if Garcia won since it would be his first prominent win. I think you could make a strong argument for Salido to be rated higher than John now and after he wins, but I don't necessarily think lineage would run through him. It would just be the vacant, unanswered question.

 

Yup.

John vs. Marquez was very close. Not a robbery. I've watched and scored it a draw and I've watched and scored it for John, to throw that out there.

Yes, I'd probably rate Salido above John if he impressively defeats Garcia (and would agree that the case can be made now).

 

Ring only award there titles when number one fights number 2. Or in some instances, 1 vs 3.

If chris john was american, i have no doubt he'd be number 1 right now.

 

Marquez vs John was a close fight with the wrong fighter getting the decision aka a Robbery. Same thing with Marquez-Pac III.


Fights like Rios-Abril, Campillo-Cloud, Williams-Lara, ect...are HIGHWAY ROBBERIES. Just thought i'd thow that out there.

As for the Ring belt, i also dont like the idea of Garcia-Salido being for the Ring belt. John, whether he grows balls or not, is still above Mikey at 126lbs, Salido is clearly number 1 at the moment.

 

I think the reason Vasquez vs Burns isn't for the Ring Belt is because both Burns and Vasquez for whatever reason turned down a fight with Ring ranked number 1 Broner.

I mean they both effectively had a chance to fight for the Ring Belt more so Vasquez ranked 2 vs Broner ranked 1.

 

Easy answer. Should absolutely not be for the ring belt. Or perhaps it's better to say that ring belts aren't worth that much after all.

 

I've read that Ring Magazine has changed the rules for their Ring belts so they are now easier to get.

 

It's an American magazine, what did you expect?