Real Reason for Ali Liston 2 ? Not a dive?

Your contradicting yourself on this one!..of course it was a dive..you really expect us to believe Liston was pushed down or that it was a flash knockdown?..Then why didnt he get his big ass back up?

 

And I wonder where you got the idea for this thread!?...:hey

 

LOTS of evidence it was no dive:

1) Listons legs twitch while he lay on the canvas.
2) Minutes after the fight was stopped and crowds are pouring in the ring Liston does a studder step to one side.
3) Listons trainers alone with Liston in his dressing room after the fight stated that Liston asked for smelling salts.
4) No evidence was ever found that a fix indeed occurred.
5) Liston was hit on the chin while stepping foreword thus increasing the punches power.
6) Listons lead foot was lifted off the canvas from the force of Ali's blow.
7) Liston trained like a demon for the fight. You don't get into that great of shape knowing its a fix.
8) Those at ringside who actually saw the punch stated it was a true KO..Torres, Patterson, Damato among others.

 

I doubt a nearly 50 year old mystery will be solved here.

 

Was just discussing this in another forum tonight. The circumstances around this fight stunk to high hell which is why it ended up in a rinky dink auditorium in Lewiston, Maine, not New York or even Miami. There was a belief that is was to be a dirty fight so when an odd outcome occured it seemed to fulfill that belief.

 

I just want McGrain to know that I held back, here. Hard. I don't know if you've ever tried to not sneeze, but imagine that feeling has lasted throughout an entire cold.

 

Also Liston said the real reason he didn't get up in time is because Jersey Joe never gave him a count (as he was too busy trying to put Ali in a neutral corner) so Liston never knew that he had been counted out. When Jersey Joe went to the time keeper to ask what the count was, Liston and Ali carried on fighting, then Jersey Joe eventually stopped them after finding out the count had reached 10
(However, I believe Patterson disputed the KO, as he believed Liston could not of been knocked out by that punch as he claimed that Ali didn't hit that hard)

 

The knockdown was genuine. No matter what bull**** conspiracy theorists claim. After that,Liston was intimidated. Pure and simple.

 

From Sports Illustrated written right after the fight in 1965:

For the few qualified observers who had a clear view of the knockout punch, there was no doubt about its power. Immediately after it landed, Floyd Patterson, seated at ringside in the most advantageous position to see the blow, said, in answer to a direct question: "It was a perfect right hand." Jose Torres, the light heavyweight champion, agreed. "A very strong right hand," he said. Indeed, for all those who had a good view of the punch—and, unfortunately, there could not have been more than 1,200—there was never any doubt as to the stunning power of the blow. it was perfectly delivered against an opponent who was moving toward it, so that the effect was of a head-on collision.