Joe Frazier, the most overrated heavyweight of all time

Of course but outside accomplishments shouldn't rate a fighter higher than another.

 

1 - You have zero knowledge of whether i am black or white.

2 - I've already made a list of my 12 favourite fighters
- 8 were black / 4 were white
- 5 were british / 5 were american / 2 were mexican

3) I never said 'I wanted' boxing to be dominated by europeans, I stated it as a prediction in 30 years time. If that follows the trend of the past 5 years then there is a chance that could be fact in 30 years time, we will see.

4) No I wouldn't call you out for wanting boxing to be dominated by black americans because you're opinion would be you're opinion, and that is the opinion of a poster with just 124 profile views to his name .

If you can back you're opinion up with some form of logic like i have done with my opinion then that is fine.

Team Elite Generals deal with irrefutable scientific facts, its why we have never lost a single debate in our history on esb
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Oh dear, did my infinitely superior wordsmithery bring you to breaking point :| :rofl

You are very selective in your research due to your bull**** racial trolling agenda.

In just my last 30 posts you will see (of which just 22 are on boxing) :

praise for Jeff Lacy, Kell Brook, Mike McCallum, Glen Johnson, and Larry Holmes

Criticism for Vladimir Klitchsko and Clinton Woods.


I really don't think its possible for a poster to make themselves look any dumber than what you have just done

You have just been left with egg all over your sloppy, embarrassed, racist agenda driven face

You've had your 5 minutes of fame with a Team Elite General, now get the **** out my face and quit de-railing this excellent thread you fart paste craving ham n egger wned

 

How ****ing dare you. :-(

 

The reason there were more black boxers in the past, is because boxers had to fight in order to have a shot at glory whereas white people were more affluent (in general) than blacks and didn't have a real reason to fight. There are of course exceptions. I'm talking about the 20th century, before the 20th century there was still the effects of slavery lingering on before black people became in control of themselves.

I'm only talking about America where boxing was most popular.

 

I'd pick Dempsey and Liston as my choices for this list long before I'd pick Smokin' Joe.

 

Dempsey had more than twice as many fights as Frazier and was never ko'd for real. He took a dive against one dude for the mob cash.

 

Tough to say whether Dempsey took a dive against Flynn or whether he was just caught cold. Either way, Frazier didn't take a dive against anyone, and fought his heart out even in defeat.

Plus...

Frazier faced as many credible opponents in his career as Dempsey did in his. He didn't sit on his championship for three years, nor did he studiously avoid his most credible challenger. And he's got a victory over an ATG heavyweight who was still a very viable and dangerous fighter at the time.

 

fuk u........ he only lost too 2 men who were also atg....frazier beats holmes by the way:-(

 

This.


Before you hurt yourself.

 

It's well documented Dempsey took a dive verses Flynn, everybody from his manager, ex wife, and many of those who saw it are all on record saying as much. I don't dispute Frazier was a great, just Dempsey was a greater one in his era.

 

Greater...? Perhaps. Dempsey did achieve a measure of fame that pretty much transcended the sport; and became a larger than life figure in the minds of many. But Frazier was still better, as a fighter and a champion. He defended against opponents who were as, if not more, capable than the fighters that Jack faced and avoided no one.

As whether Dempsey dived, or just got caught cold against Flynn, I've read the same stories, and they may well be true. I just don't think it looks good either way, is all.

 

Ban this fool!!!

 

I was still waiting for Foreman's record against ATG, since Frazier apparently doesn't qualify.

A good troll always knows when to dip out, though...

 

What a crap thread, sooo surprising coming from a guy with an Ali avatar...

 

2-3 against top 10 HWs.

But his record is pretty awesome.

Norton
Frazier
Chuvalo (by TKO no less)
Lyle
Moorer
Cooney
Qawi

Some very good wins.