Calzaghe vs Ward, who wins?

Everyone used to call Roy out after the fights.

Talk is cheap, you have to do something about it.. Joe was a no name in the USA until after Roy was knocked out, he simply didn't bring enough to the table at the time when Roy had other options of cementing his legacy..

He had chances to move up to LHW and beat some contenders, and make a name for himself in America and at the weight.. Had he really wanted Jones, that is what he would have done.

 

There would also be the possibility of him concluding his unfinished business with Glen Johnson and beating Antonio Tarver and Chad Dawson at Light Heavyweight - which I think he was certainly capable of doing, and I wish he had then we'd have no doubts about his place as a great in the sport.

 

Seeing Calzaghe fight Tarver and Dawson would have been great.. It has been said Joe didn't fancy other southpaw fighters, and never fought an elite one to my knowledge. Not saying he would have lost, but would be interesting for sure.

 

He's made various comments to the media before.

Tell us what he did after he'd called Roy out.

He didn't fight in Roy's weight class, or in his Country April 2008.

He said after the McIntyre win, that he wanted to fight Roy.

What did he do afterwards?

He stayed in Britain, at 168, and fought Brewer, Jiminez, Pudwell and Mitchell.

None of those fights at 168, were going to get him a shot at the worlds best fighter at 175.

Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words.

He was stuck in a vicious circle.

He wanted Roy for big money, but wasn't interested in doing any groundwork to raise his profile.

He made no attempt to gain recognition from American fans and media, by fighting there, and he made no attempt to move to Roy's weight class.

If the big money offer had have came, he'd have taken the fight. That's what he always said.

But the big money offer to fight Roy was never going to come, because despite how great he was, he was relatively unknown outside of Europe.

Nobody such as HBO were going to pay him a lot.

They'd only seen him a handful of times in stinkers against Thornberry, Starie, and his win over McIntyre.

Joe's biggest mistake was not going to the U.S. in 99, when Lou De Bella had the door open for him.

I'm sure he'd have been a huge hit with the American fans.

 

When exactly? When Joe retired? He had wins over Adamek, Johnson and Tarver, held a major LHW belt.. He was plenty a big enough name.. And an elite prime southpaw fighter.. Joe would have got much more credit for beating him than Roy Jones.

Comments like this make me question if you really know what you are saying.

 

Where do almost all of the major fights take place?, in Wales? The fact that all big fights happen in his country isn't his problem.

 

Hi mate,

No, Roy never called Joe out, but why would he have?

Joe was a great fighter, but he was an unknown European 168 fighter.

Why would the worlds best fighter who fought at 175, challenge an unknown guy at 168. He was never on Roy's radar.

Roy only chased him, when Joe was on top in 2008, and he himself was coming towards the end of his career, and he wanted one last push at fighting at elite level.

When Roy was at his peak, Joe was a nobody to him.

If Joe wanted Roy, he had to do everything he could to secure the fight, but he never did.

 

Ward is a great boxer but it's like people put this ora around him making him unbeatable. Calzaghe would outwork him for 12 rounds.

 

I'll leave the two of you to debate this. The only thing I'll add, is that Roy wasn't fighting at elite level in 2008.

His last fight at elite level was Oct 2005, against Tarver.

 

Which is exactly my point. Neither man wanted the fight in Jones prime. Jones didn't want to fight Calzaghe because it would mean nothing to him or his legacy and wouldn't be a big payday and Calzaghe did nothing to make the fight because he could make enough money sticking with WBO mandatories and didn't give a damn about his legacy. So neither man can be attributed sole blame for the fight not happening.

I've seen people drag up that "crown jewels" comment from Calzaghe and ridicule him for it, but in my opinion it merely shows the mindset of a money fighter in its plainest form - showing that he'd be prepared to fight the guy thought of as the best fighter in the world for a massive payday but didn't think it worth the risk without it because he had a good thing going for him with the WBO and might lose it all if he lost badly.

 

Calzaghe by decision too busy for Ward, Froch had ward huffing and puffing by round 6 imagine what Calzaghe's workrate would have done to him.

 

Believe it or not Jones was a no name in the UK, particularly after you sent McClellan over here to beat Benn up as a precurser for a McClellan / Jones fight.

But just like Toney, Jones sat on the other side of the pond mouthing off like a typical idiot Yank, rather than risk getting McClellaned.

So why the **** would Joe accomodate the fool when he was scared shitless of Benn?