Calzaghe vs Ward, who wins?

Froch did not have Ward huffing and puffing after round 6, what a moronic statement.
Ward slowed down in the 11th and 12th due to him only being able to fight with one hand. Look how he mowed down Bute who had two hands and it should put into perspective.
Ward would easily beat Joe by bringing the Green gameplan , roughing him up on the inside and taking away his high workrate. Ugly but effective.

 

At 43 he was a lot weaker and had less stamina than Ward , yet he lost by a point in a fight that could of went either way.

 

That's right, Joe was overlooked. He didn't even fight in Roy's weight class.

The fight was never viable.

The only problem I have with the whole issue, is that Joe pretends he really wanted the fight and he chased him for 5-6 years, which was frankly embarrassing.

Roy didn't really give him a seconds thought when he was prime.

It would have been the same as him calling Sven Ottke out.

I'm not comparing Ottke and Joe as fighters, because Joe was a great fighter who in my opinion was levels above Ottke.

But to Roy in the late 90's - early 00's, they were both relatively unknown 168 fighters to him.

Roy's objective was to unify at 175, and then move to heavy.

That's right. He was stuck in a vicious circle. I've discussed this a thousand times, and he only had two options as far as I can see.

1. Drop his WBO belt, move upto 175, and hope to move up the rankings impressively and try to get his shot, for whatever it was worth.

2. Forget about Roy, and continue to achieve everything at 168.

He simply couldn't do both. It was one or the other, and I sympathised with him, because it was a hard position to be in.

He could have dropped his belt, gone all out for Roy and not got the fight.

It was a big risk. In the end he wouldn't take it.

Life is all about risks.

But on the other hand, he could have gone to America, moved upto 175, impressed the fans, and got everyone interested in a big fight with Roy.

In my opinion, that could have happened. It had a realistic chance of happening.


Regarding the Crown Jewels comment, I don't blame him for wanting them.

My only issue is, it was totally unrealistic that he'd get them, because no big promoter/network was going to pay him them at the time.

He wasn't known well enough in America, and he'd have had to have fought there to get Roy.

That's why he gets ridiculed for it.

It was totally unrealistic.


As I've mentioned, Joe was a great fighter, and my only problem with him, is that he tried to convince people that he was desperate for Roy, but Roy ducked him!

The guy's got no honesty and integrity, and if he had, he would get a lot more respect from fight fans across the world.

I've been on countless boxing forums online, and he gets a lot of abuse on every single one of them, because people know what happened, and they can see straight through his bull****.

Someone like Eubank who said "to be honest, I was happy with my Sky contract, and I never really chased the big fights" gets HUGE amounts of respect from fans, because people appreciate honesty.

 

Ward mowed down Bute who had two hands?:?

And, Ward's not as dirty or rough a fighter as Salem was and Salem failed to win by roughing up Calzaghe, nor would Ward be a better inside fighter that Hopkins, and both failed to take away Calzaghe's workrate, in fact, Calzaghe also starting roughing it up against Salem. So saying that Ward would win easilly by roughing Calzaghe up on the inside and taking away his workrate does not match up with the fights in which Calzaghe's opposition tried to do exactly that, because Calzaghe adapted to it and found a way to win.

Again, Ward might win by doing what you suggest, but it would not be an easy strategy to employ, nor would it be an easy win for him.

 

I agree with all of that. At least Eubank was honest about his priorities, Calzaghe's priorities were clear to everyone but he's tried to convince people otherwise, and he would get a lot more respect if he was more honest.

 

To do what Ward did to Green for 12 rounds requires freakish strenght and stamina. A lot more than what Hop had.

 

Loudon, Joe was definitely on Roy's radar, and negotiations did take place

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The fight didn't happen because Roy got a chance to go up to HW to fight John Ruiz for more money and a chance to win the HW title. You've said before that Roy considered Calzaghe as an option, but his priority was winning the HW title which he did, that's absolutely right, then you contradict yourself by saying Joe was never on Roy's radar, which doesn't make sense, as you said he considered him an option if he couldn't fight for the HW title? Anyways, I don't want to debate it much further as we've been back on forth on it before. Hope you've had a good weekend mate

 

Which still supports me when I said that Jones didn't want the fight because Calzaghe wouldn't mean anything to him at the time and he was more interested in going after a Heavyweight Title.

 

Was Dawson fighting at elite level before he beat Tarver?

You could make an argument either way I suppose.

My issue is, after the fight with Roy, Joe said he was retiring because there were no other fight out there.

I don't blame Joe for fighting Roy instead of Dawson.

But he'd dismissed Roy in the past, and then tried to pass it off as a huge fight, and a great win.

Regarding Joe calling Roy out earlier, yes he did, but then he didn't back up his words with any sort of action. He just carried on doing what he'd done before. Nothing changed.

Regarding who'd have won between Joe and Andre, honestly I don't know.

I can envisage both fighters winning.

 

You're welcome :good

Yep I agree with you

 

That's right.

I honestly don't know how he had the nerve, to tell members of the media that he chased Roy for 5 years, when he never even fought in his weight class.

Anybody can pull his resume up within 30 seconds, to see through him.

But again, he was in a catch 22 situation in his late 20's, and I can appreciate that.

But many fighters take risks, and sometimes they pay off, and sometimes they don't, just like life in general.

Roy gave up all of his 175 belts to fight Ruiz.

 

You are deluded here, Ward is only being made to look good by everyone elses lack of ability.

Froch wouldn't win a single round vs Calzaghe and Joe would have dominated Froch far more than ward did it would have been lacy II.

I love how as soon as Ward comes on the scene the following are suddenly amazing boxers, Froch Kessler Abraham Greene Johnson etc yet before ward they were nobody's ? with low skill ? when Joe beat a prime unbeaten Kessler Americans just said Kessler was a slow predictable eurobum robot.
Come on Calzaghe beat a prime undefeated young Kessler, comfortably.

I have no doubt in my mind that ward is good but he's being made to look better because outside of Dirrell who's unmotivated to say the least there really isn't as much talent at 168-175 as people like to make out it's a myth the best two outside Ward are robotic plodders.

Calzaghe would outland Ward over 12 he would throw more and avoid more in a close but clear decision to Calzaghe.

Ward looks good against slow predictable plodders does not automatically = he beats Calzaghe.