Calzaghe vs Ward, who wins?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by The Bane, Jan 18, 2013.


  1. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Ward makes Calzaghe's offense look like amateur hour 3000.
     
  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    knockout,

    Hi pal, I was hoping that you'd join the thread, but i figured you were busy.

    How's things?

    Have you seen anything of Golovkin yet?

    My mates really impressed with him, and I still haven't seen him properly yet.


    We've been through this a thousand times ha!

    I know negotiations took place, but they literally couldn't have happened at a worse time for Joe.

    I'll have a look on YouTube to find Roy's post fight interview after the Woods fight. I haven't seen it for ages. I don't mean the in-ring one with Larry, it was another one that was filmed outside the changing rooms for Grandstand on the BBC.

    He was asked about a potential fight with Joe.

    He said "it's a possibility, but I think Tarver or Ruiz is next."

    Joe was the bottom of Roy's list.

    Murad was in talks to get Ruiz, and everything was on hold.

    The negotiations for a fight with Joe were a complete waste of time.

    He would never have gone down in weight, because Joe had nothing that Roy wanted.

    The only thing that would have got Roy in the ring, was a ridiculous amount of money.

    But Frank couldn't afford to bring him to the U.K. and the fights with Tarver and Ruiz were much bigger fights.

    If Frank had've had serious talks with Roy pre 2002, and Joe had've been willing to go to America, and up to 175, then he might have had a chance.

    But in 2002, they had no chance whatsoever of securing that fight. It was a waste of time.

    If Murad had've said to Roy "the fight with Ruiz is a no go!" Roy would have fought Tarver instead anyway.


    When I say that Joe was never on Roy's radar, pre 2002 he wasn't at all, and in 2002, he was just an option and nothing more.

    Like I say, it wasn't even a realistic option.

    I respect your opinion, and you could argue that he was on his radar, if they had talks, so that's fair enough.

    But what I'm saying is, a fight with Joe in 2002 was never ever going to happen.

    Frank and Joe had missed the boat by that point.

    Unless Ruiz had said no, and something had happened to stop a Tarver fight AND they'd have paid Roy huge money, the fight would never have happened.

    HBO couldn't have staged the fight as a big event, and Joe wouldn't have got the Crown Jewels. Likewise Roy wouldn't have been paid the millions he'd have wanted.

    The fight was never viable.

    Frank and Joe were 2 to 3 years late.


    Those links that you posted, really gave a false impression to the public.

    Roy praised Joe, and it really did read as though a fight was a strong possibility, and that Roy was really interested in the fight and up for it.

    I don't know if it was cleverly written, or the if the media really bought into what Roy was saying.

    The little line at the end regarding Tarver really made me laugh.

    Because it was Ruiz and Tarver who were the front runners, and Joe should have had the little mention at the bottom of the article.

    Roy was been friendly, and getting people's hopes up, by implying that the fight could be on the cards.

    A lot of people bought into it, and Joe even discussed it on Soccer AM.

    But trust me, I've been a huge fan for nineteen years, and that fight, despite what Roy told the press, never had a chance of taking place.


    I've had a good weekend thanks mate, I hope you have too.
     
  3. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    You said Dawson was not a big name at the time, which is ****ing moronic.. Makes me think you were not watching boxing. He was plenty big enough name, and held a major LHW belt, and in my opinion was an elite LHW. Much more risky than Jones, and Calzaghe would have got way more credit. I was talking about options for Joe instead of retiring.. you talked about Johnson but dismissed Dawson saying he wasn't a big name even though he beat Johnson and Tarver.

    It is clear you are a boxing rec warrior. Don't you tell me I can't judge boxing knowledge.. I just called you out for saying Dawson wasn't a big name in 2008, which he was. Dawson vs. Calzaghe would have been huge in 2009.
     
  4. Smashgar

    Smashgar McMustache Nuthugger Full Member

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  5. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    I was clearly talking about Joe fighting on instead of retiring, and so were you....

    Don't call me an idiot, for calling you out on Dawson not being a big enough name when Joe retired...

    And why are you scolding me on Johnson being a journeyman when Dawson beat him??? You brought him up, said it would be a good fight for Joe.. Seems like you are arguing with yourself.. .
     
  6. ELECTRIC GURU

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    The thing that makes me laugh on here is that certain posters talk up the quality of the likes of Glen Johnson, Tarver, Dawson, and even Clinton Woods and it is purely because of the TV exposure these types of fighter have received in the US (similar to how America is now interested in 168 and overate the division because an american fighter is considered top dog).

    The truth is that the Jones/Tarver/Johnson/Dawson was a bog standard era for light heavyweights, one of the worst in 175 history.
     
  7. ELECTRIC GURU

    ELECTRIC GURU Active Member Full Member

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    The other thing is that when it was all said and done, hopkins was the king of this 175 era

    Tarver beat Jones
    Hopkins destroyed Tarver

    And then Calzaghe came along and in his first fight at 175, he became the new light heavyweight king on foreign soil.

    The whole Jones/Tarver/Johnson/Dawson/Woods/Hopkins era wants to think itself lucky that Calzaghe never spent his entire career at 175 or that light heavyweight era would have been similar to todays heavyweight era with Calzaghe and DM dominating, with america claiming it was a weak division and instead focusing, overating, and giving huge exposure to a division that an American was doing well in.
     
  8. pecho26

    pecho26 ESB Lurker Full Member

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    As expected.Calzaghe fans will descredit roy and every other american fighter as much as possible.Just LOL.
     
  9. ELECTRIC GURU

    ELECTRIC GURU Active Member Full Member

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    Don't let you're paranoia get in the way of the facts.

    A past prime, brittle handed Calzaghe took the 175 king out in his first fight at the weight, and he did that despite fighting on foreign soil with corrupt officiating.

    Imagine the damage that would have been done if that fight had of been staged in Cardiff with 3 British judges, and a British ref who didn't allow for Hopkins non stop holding, headbutting, and feigning of injuries.
     
  10. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Hop wasn't the 175 King. He didn't even hold a championship title.
     
  11. ELECTRIC GURU

    ELECTRIC GURU Active Member Full Member

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    He was ring champ and widely regarded as the main man Dino.

    Jones was the man, then Tarver was the man, then Hopkins was the man, and then Calzaghe was the man imo pal.
     
  12. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    And Dawson and Pascal as well.
     
  13. ELECTRIC GURU

    ELECTRIC GURU Active Member Full Member

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    Well after Calzaghe retired, they had to find a new king at both 168 and 175, those kind of names barely fill the void that was left. Its a bit like someone trying to replace Alex Ferguson as the next Man Utd manager Dino.
     
  14. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    They sure do!

    All those guys were extremely lucky that Joe didn't move up.

    Luckily for them, Joe was having huge fights with Salem, Veit, Ashira and Mkrtchyan. :lol: