Jack Dempsey vs James Toney @ 190 Catchweight

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  1. I am tyler

    I am tyler Member Full Member

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    Agree with this. Got Dempsey outworking Toney, not knocking him out.
     
  2. janitor

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    The fact that you have to build Toneys heavyweight resume primarily based on fights he didn't win, says all that needs to be said in the matter.

    If you are more impressed by Toneys resume over 190lbs, then you are either delusional ore woefully misguided.
     
  3. janitor

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    If he was then that is very bad news for Toney, because this is exactly the kind of win he never managed.
     
  4. brnxhands

    brnxhands Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    people are entitled to their opinion. one thing is for sure the only one fighter that really bothers me getting the flack he does is toney. He fought everyone. unlike dempsey.
     
  5. brnxhands

    brnxhands Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    porky dan flynn... that name just sounds like a ****in bum
     
  6. janitor

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    This is an incredible statment.

    Criticising Dempsey for not fighting Harry Wills is like criticising Toney for not fighting the Klitschko brothers.

    The key difference between them is that Dempsey is expected to fight everybody who is elite, while Toney is lionised for fighting anybody who is elite!
     
  7. janitor

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    He was a prety good contender.
     
  8. ChrisPontius

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    Janitor, I know you're a knowledgeable man so I'll ask. Do you honestly believe the above statement? Or was it a spur of the moment thing.

    Come on man. Toney wasn't even champion at heavyweight (not counting the brief beltholder period before being stripped for steroids). He didn't need to fight anyone. But Dempsey was champion. And he choose to ignore the clear #1 contender for 7 years straight and fight the loser of title eliminators twice.

    So, if you compare Toney not fighting Klitschko to Dempsey not fighting Wills.. well, I'd be disappointed in your inability to distinguish between the key factors that separate these events.
     
  9. Unforgiven

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    Jirov weighed 188 actually.
     
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    None, Toney wouldnt be able to drop Dempsey, Dempsey would come forward and with his style nullify Toneys great skill and win with punching power but mostly the speed of his combinations
     
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    Toneys footwork is ****
     
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    I was about to comment before this got added that i think this thread was just done a few weeks ago..and its likely bee done 20 other times just on esb.
     
  13. janitor

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    I mean in terms of their overal impact on the era, not their obligations.

    My point is that we are comparing a flawed dominant champion, to somebody who was never that close to being the man.
     
  14. Bummy Davis

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    Toney does not have enough to deal with Jacks power and speed, he makes it tough on the inside and dishes out his share but Jack breaks things and forces the RSC, Dempsey has more firepower than Jirov and much more speed than Rahman...JD RSC in 8-12
     
  15. Unforgiven

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    :lol:

    Yeah, he actually looks different to how I'd imagine him.


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    Looks too Jewish to be "Porky", imo, and isn't fat enough, but apparently he was Irish-American.




    James "Hogs Out" Toney :

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