Calzaghe vs Ward, who wins?

Can't work out if you're a troll or just a blinkered Jones fanboy?

 

Comparing Allen green to Calzaghe

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Ward was tired out from the 9th to the 12th, hence why most people saw Froch as winning three of the last four rounds. Calzaghe is a much more tiring fight then slow Mechanical Froch. Calzaghe wins a UD and let's not forget if Darnell Boone could hurt Ward then you could never rule out a couple of Calzaghe KD's

Only man that beats prime Calzaghe at SMW is prime RJJ, who even though his SMW reign was nothing special was still the same great fighter

 

Implementing a glameplan isn't comparing anybody to anybody stupid. How do you neutralize a high workrate of slaps? By fighting a dogfight in his chest for 12 rounds. Joe cant fight for **** on the inside and Ward proved he can bully and rough up the bigger and stronger fighter for 12 rounds straight without tiring. Get it through your stupid head, Ward had one hand against Froch, HENCE why he tired. Joe went down down more times than Ward, twice by old men who to their names had 1 knockdown in 5 years and the other 1 knockdown in 10 years. Boone was a monster puncher who knocked out the current IBF no.1 who Froch wants no part of. And lets not forget Joe vacated his WBC belt rather than fight Froch.

 

Again, Salem tried to rough Calzaghe up on the inside, so did Hopkins, Salem was a dirtier and rougher fighter than Ward and Hopkins is a master of the spoiler style of fighting and in 2008 was not that much worse than Ward is now. Neither man drained Calzaghe's stamina or messed up his rhythm enough to win, in fact, they ran out of stamina trying to run down Calzaghe's stamina.

So, based on what Calzaghe showed in his career, its ridiculous and unfounded to say that "Ward would easily beat Joe by bringing the Green gameplan, roughing him up on the inside and taking away his high workrate. Ugly but effective." since people tried to beat him in that fashion and failed.

Now, Ward might be better than the 2008 Hopkins, he is better than Salem, but that doesn't mean he would do any better than them if he tried to employ the plan you've advocated. Success employing it against Green doesn't mean he's have success against Calzaghe either since Calzaghe was much, much better than Green.

I'm not saying Ward couldn't do it, but it wouldn't be easy.

Additionally, Calzaghe dropped the WBC Super Middleweight Title to move up to fight Hopkins. Be honest, what's a better fight, Froch who was only rated as a national-level fighter and who's best recent win at that time was an old Robin Reid or Hopkins who was considered the best Light Heavyweight in the world and who had beaten Winky Wright and Antonio Tarver in his last two fights

 

You're comparing a bottom feeding nobody(who still managed to floor Joe) and 43 year old Hop who could only fight in spurts to Andre Ward. I stopped reading after that.

 

No, he isn't. And you don't get to '/thread'.

 

Then why should I care what your opinion is? If you cant even be bothered to give me the curtesy of reading what I said.

But, for your benefit, here's the summary:

I'm not saying Ward couldn't win doing what you suggest, but it would not be easy and it is totally ridiculous to act as if it would be, and that Calzaghe proved that he could deal with fighters who attempted to disrupt his rhyhm and drain his stamina with inside-fighting.

And, if you'd actually read my post you would see that I was not comparing Ward to Salem, or Hopkins to Ward, just saying that Salem and Hopkins tried to do something similar to what you said Ward would do and failed, and just like you said to moneypaysbills, comparing gameplans and how they worked is not the same as comparing fighters.

 

Ward's bullying consists of illegal headbutts and while you may be okay with that, most people don't count it. The RJJ knockdown was an illegal forearm anyway. Ward tired because he does not have the stamina, no more no less.

Boone is a monster puncher?

The same Boone that has won 8 of his 19 victories by KO and lost a further 20? You really are a delusional moron. As for Froch, wasn't Joe moving up to LHW to face the best fighter there rather than beat at the time a domestic level fighter.

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You're basically assessing Wards execution of the gameplan by comparing it to how some guy nobody ever heard of performed with it. Ward would chop Joe up inside where he had zero defence and zero inside game. By doing that , Ward is avoiding his high rate of slaps but is also draining the energy out of him with a head and body shots. Salem fought nothing like Ward against Green and for the most part just tied him up. In releation to Froch, had Joe fought and beat him at the time it would of been much better for himself and his legacy but instead he took the fight for the bigger check and less risk.

 

And you basically assessing how Calzaghe would deal with Ward's execution of said gameplan by how some nobody Ward beat called Green dealt with it.

And what are you basing your opinion of Calzage having no inside game on? The fact that he was knocked down a couple of time? He wasn't a great inside fighter but its not like he had no ability on the inside whatsoever. If that was the case then Lacy would have stopped him.

Of course Froch would have been a good name to have but the fact remains that he was only a domestic level fighter in 2008 when Calzaghe moved up to fight Hopkins, Hopkins was the bigger name and the time thought to be the bigger threat.

 

Green was shutting out Kessler before he was one punch ko'd. Ward was able to bully and push Froch around with one hand. Why would i be convinced Joe would out muscle him on the inside when his only gameplan is using hand speed at mid range. Even on the outside id tip Ward to win as he as faster feet, better movement and would exploit the holes his defence all night long. When you are repeatadly getting hit with a Ward power shot to the gut , your workrate is going to diminish.

 

calzaghe takes this one

 

In all fairness, Calzaghe did travel - not like Hopkins, Jones and now Ward.....