Monzon didn't show his cards, he controlled the pace to where he wanted to operate, but when it got out of his hands, he could match a fast pace fairly effortlessly. He was a lot like a change-up pitcher in baseball. He didn't always show you his fastball.
Max Baer looks no more ridiculous than a Vic Darchinyan, Sung-Kil Moon or Juan Urango do to me. Even heavyweight needs the uber crude and awkward bangers.
And don't forget you had all those smoking hot coked-out, barely dressed Monte Carlo broads to look at on Monzon footage... a major plus.
Yeah I get the monzon not being pleasant to watch thing.. I mean really... can anybody say it's fun to watch him fight for hours (if your not in that particular kinda mood)? It's kinda boring and not what I would call awe inspiring of the record he accumulated. I see the frazier thing as well... Great fighter.. but I just don't see some awesome technician in there. Saddler is another one. Gene would be another.
Sure we do, but it's a fair answer to the question. He really doesn't look impressive on that film. I mean, I could say someone like Lennox Lewis or Carlos Monzon too, or a Max Baer or George Foreman, but that's a lot to do with aesthetics and it's a bit unfair. In truth, the WINS they have on film must impress me some. But Stanley Ketchel ... 1. I really think he's an ATG of the highest order. 2. He's kind of 'in his prime' I think, in the films. I mean, he was never old. 3. He's a bit **** on those films.
Of course not, I just don`t see in him why so many rank him the best ever MW. I think a guy like Robinson could/would beat him comfortably.
Not really someone to be glorified, imo. But, hey, we've even had Ayala-fixated loons on here, so it's all good.