Who is greater? Willie Pep or Benny Leonard?

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  1. the_bigunit

    the_bigunit Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Who is the greater fighter? Who should be ranked higher, regardless of weight?

    Wiilie Pep, or Benny Leonard?
     
  2. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    I gather Pep is generally considered the better by those who watched both. I think Pep looks the more skilled of the 2

    Leonard I think edges it resume and dominance wise though

    Toss a coin
     
  3. Kiwi Kid

    Kiwi Kid The Sweet Scientist Full Member

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    I'd go with Leonard based on the depth of his resume
     
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    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Benny Leonard was considered to be the best all around fighter of his times, just as Ray Robinson was the very best of his times with Willie Pep #2...Benny leonard was a
    magnificent boxer and a very stiff two handed puncher who could ko an opponent at any time...
     
  5. Manassa

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    Definitely, definitely Leonard. Willie Pep is in my top ten all-time, but Leonard, knowing what I know now, I think is a lock for top five.

    In his best years Leonard went 80-2-1, both the losses being a bit meaningless (disqualification and a four rounder), and including those, he went 15-2-1 against Hall of Famers within that period. Incredible record once analysed.

    To his credit, Pep did beat a bucket load of contenders, including some at 135lbs.
     
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    Benny, magnificent in all aspects, would be a sensation in todays era, what a fighter!
     
  7. RockyJim

    RockyJim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Benny is #1...
     
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    Leonard, cleaning up shop here, i prefer Willie Pep though guy was unbelievable to watch
     
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    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I would largely agree with this....I wouldn't really argue against someone placing them in either order...For me a slight lead to Benny.

    01 SRR
    02 Armstrong
    03 Greb

    04 Langford
    05 Fitzsimmons
    06 Benny
    07 Charles
    08 Pep
     
  10. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    both were excellent fighters....Pep was a master with a long career both before and after the crash but was a featherweight...the greatest YES...Leonard was one of the greatest if not the greatest lightweight of all time could box punch and speed of hand and foot....many of the old-timers told me he beats Duran....Greatest Lightweight...could be
     
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    While I have absolutely no hesistation in saying Benny Leonard, it's still hard to fathom how a boxer can be 'greater than Willie Pep'.

    I'd probably say equal greatness, but I'd rank Leonard higher. :lol:
     
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    Leonard.
     
  13. mcvey

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    Me too:good
     
  14. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Benny Leonard is an argument for number one all time great. Willie Pep is not.
     
  15. the_bigunit

    the_bigunit Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I would like to thank everyone for their input. It's all unbelievably appreciated.

    With Benny Leonard and Roberto Duran's greatness so neck and neck with each other: does Leonard being greater than Pep -- make Duran greater as well?