Sailor Tom v Irish Jerry?

He weighed 158 vs. Sharkey?

He weighed 159 vs. Sharkey?

Who is Thorne?

He wasn't. Go read the reports. Sharkey took quite a hammering, absorbing round after round of hellacious shots from a man who hurt, dropped and stopped heavyweights during his career. To hold this as some sort of proof that Sharkey's durability was questionable is "farcicle".

Already addressed. You need to explain to me why NOBODY at the time questioned Tom's chin after this incident. Obviously it was something that the people at the time knew McCoy was capable of. Why didn't McCoy drop or even HURT Sharkey in the 7 more rounds that followed?

You don't think McCoy could drop Quarry if he was able to hammer him for 3 rounds without any consequential return? He absolutely could (though I admit Jerry would nail and stop the Kid).

Of course. I could see one of Quarry's sharp counters scoring a flash knockdown over Sharkey. Maybe even 2. Absolutely.

 

McVey,

Since you either don't watch or own the tapes and films, I think you would be best served to shut up and listen to those who have seen them. Quarry was in fact in serious trouble vs a journeyman.

 

Easy there boys :smoke

 

Actually, looking at it now I can honestly say that I forgot how to spell it myself . I just put it in quotes to quote you, not make fun. You know me better than that. We lock horns sometimes, even get heated. But it never crosses the line into disrespect like that. Apologies if it read that way.

I will answer the post tomorrow this weekend. Battling the flu. Bedtime.

 

I had ringside seat to Quarry vs Lyle,Foster,Shavers and Jerry got hit but he had a solid set of whiskers and was a master at fighting the Big Slow guys (I like his chances vs Foreman) Quarry had trouble with only the Greater fighters of his era Ali and Frazier for the most part and could be speed but I think he was just put in with great as opposed to very good

Another fight I went to was Quarry -Alexander and although not renowned Joe Alexander landed a ferocious shot on Jerry and I saw sparks fly off Jerry's butt when he hit the floor but to his credit he got up and dispatched of Joe

Sailor Tom was stopped a few times and no matter how hard we stretch it could we really say Jeffries, Fitz and the gang could endure a ring with Jerry's trophies ...dont get me wrong Fitz could whack but how long can he take the whacks from Jerry &co

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol6kyi42PgI

 

OK, I'm back in the land o' the healthy, so now I can see straight enough to respond.

I thought you were quoting weights for Choynski and the rest for when they fought Sharkey, not weights for McCoy himself. My mistake.

Steve O'Donnell
Peter Maher (though he would be considered a LH today)
Joe Goddard (hurt, floored and on the verge of a KO when he got himself DQ'd for grabbing McCoy about the waist)

This was all evidence enough that this man possessed the power to stop much larger men.

Just about, yeah. Tommy Ryan was in Sharkey's corner for this fight and got the cockamamie idea that the sailor should try and get tricky with McCoy by boxing him. As a result McCoy bashed him at will for the initial rounds without Sharks landing anything of consequence. It's all in the fight report. Sharkey tossed the boxing to the wind after and from there on took everything McCoy had.

Nobody questioned Tom's ability to take it after this bout. Only here on ESB, over 100 years later, do people question it, mostly due to their lack of historical perspective on Sharkey, McCoy and their careers.

Without a doubt.

You're pushing it here. Tom was considered one of the premiere powerpunchers of his generation. I've never heard Quarry get awarded with such plaudits. Sharkey awed sportswriters with his workouts, his heavy bag punching was reportedly jaw dropping stuff. No, Sharkey has the advantage in this dept.

Maybe. He never had to take as much punishment as Sharkey as Quarry was harder to hit and didn't fight as many rounds. What does Quarry have to compare alongside Sharkey having to take it from Jeffries for 45 rounds?

Sure they did. Heck, I myself always wondered if Jones could take it. Sharkey's chin, on the other hand, was never a question for anyone. It was a certainty. He was considered one of the most rugged, durable fighters in the game.

I think we can agree that it's best to go to a firsthand source from the following day rather than a 30 years after the fact recollection. AS you can see, Fitz bashed Sharkey with huge punches for round after round. Yet Tom kept coming after him before finally succumbing. It wasn't just like some crushing single shot from nowhere ala Weaver-Tate:

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/l...ge=25&page=23&page=21&page=20&page=19&index=5


And why even bother bringing up the second fight, when Tom was considered shot?? It proves nothing. And anyway, once again it was a short but furious punch-up, Fitz needing a series of hard shots to put Sharkey away:

Fitzsimmons regrouped between rounds, but was still going up against a charging foe in Sharkey who wouldn't let up. But unfortunately for the Sailor (Sharkey), Fitzsimmons met his rush this time with his own barrage of punches which had Sharkey in a heap of trouble. Sharkey responded to this sudden adversity with a series of wild swings, one of them countered with a left hook which deposited Sharkey on the canvas for the first time in the fight. Sharkey arose but Fitzsimmons pressed his advantage once again and succeeded in landing the finisher with a right sent perfectly to the temple, putting the Sailor out for good. --Brooklyn Daily Eagle

Again, ESB is the only place where I've ever found anyone expressing doubts as to Sharkey's durability. Nobody back then did. I ask you again, why do you suppose that is?

 

Sharkey stood up to Jeffries, a genuine heavyweight by any measure.

 

Well, anyone over 154 was a heavyweight back in those days !

 

boxrec provides weights for some of Sharkey's opponents.

He KO'd Gus Ruhlin, 190, and Fred Russell, 205, among others.