Sorry but Matthyse was a disgrace tonight. Which other JR WW comes in @ 164? Come on!

it's hilarious when people say "Sorry but..."
but it's not an apology, you cancelled it out, saying sorry was pointless. hehe, dumbass

anyway, good knockout for matthysse, people were actually calling for an upset in this one

 

Thanks,but I did mean "pedantic" in that just because it's a banned substance does not necessarily mean that it's a performance enhancing drug,and it is (IMO of course) rather narrow minded (or pedantic) to lump it in with drugs that genuinely do enhance performance.

But you're correct about the semantics.:good

 

I believe the TS's emphasis was on the weight gain and what it implys about the rules of boxing in general. Just because it's a rule dosn't make it fair and when you got any fighter taking advantage of the rules in that fashion then it speaks to the need for a change. I myself don't enjoy watching totally disadvantaged fights, whether its skills or weight. What it says to me is that the fighter who uses those types of advantages has an issue with his heart. It should be fight day weigh ins.:bbb

 

For you to believe I am narrow minded, you must know my opinion on all banned substances, I must group all banned substances in to one big "performance enhancing" group, right?

To answer the question, no, I don't. Diuretics allows you to cut weight unfairly and dangerously, not only for the person using it, but for their opponent. Someone who can't make a certain weight class can use it to make that weight limit, in turn allowing them to have an unfair advantage, and IMO enhancing their performance against a smaller opponent. A performance that they may not be able to put in against an opponent of similar size or bigger. So again, no, I don't believe I am being pedantic or narrow minded.

 

exactly this should put the bitching to bed

how many of you guys bitched that Dawson was drained? Cotto was drained? Oscar was drained? Roy Jones was drained? Tarver got drained?

Cutting drastic amounts of weight is as dangerous as it is advantageous

you guys cant have it both ways by saying "oh hes drained" to next week saying "oh he is too big"

so dumb "he loses weight to have an advantage cause if he moved up hed lose his advantage" he loses weight cause its division and he can make it

and all this fair talk, is boxing fair, is anything in boxing guaranteed or a given

very dumb argument

 

Matthysse did nothing wrong. If he can make the 140 pound weight, then he's can rehydrate to whatever he wants

 

****ing hell!atsch
I said I thought you were being slightly pedantic(in your statement) and I don't know or want to know your opinion on all banned substances.
You took issue with one part of my post whilst agreeing with the rest.I said I thought you were being slightly pedantic with your point.
Then someone suggested I did not mean "pedantic" and I explained that I did.
Narrow mindedness associated with being pedantic does not mean the same as the narrow mindedness associated with say,Governor George Wallace.

I don't believe a diuretic is a PED.You do.
My opinion is no more or less valid than yours and if you're so upset that I suggested you were being slightly pedantic,I promise that I'll never,ever say it or suggest it again.
:roll:

 

on the second weigh in mathysse was in street clothes and shoes. try weighting yourself with clothes on, then without.
if you weigh more with clothes on it must be peds

 

No need to recap, I know how the debate has gone. And afterall, it is a debate. I thought it was anyway. :conf But clearly you feel I'm winding you up. The bold says it all, no need to continue with this debate. :good

 

if he makes the weight he makes the weight, same with chavez.....it's just as dangerous for them as the opponents as they risk being super weight drained. if this becomes a regular thing he wont be able to make the weight much longer anyhow.

Martinez vs Matthysse anyone? hahahaha

 

Matthysse was 153 in the ring against Devon and he sure as hell didn't look 11 lbs bigger i don't give a **** what anyone says.

Golovkin weighs around 164 in the ring ffs, Lucas who is 4-5 inches shorter does not weigh as much as Golovkin.

 

You can have guys that are the same height, fighters in great shape, and be built differently with their body. Some guys can carry more in their legs and look smaller in the upper body. (Pac for example)

Many agree Mayweather's upper body stumps Pac despite them weighing the same and a bit taller. It's because Pac carries a lot in his legs.

 

I doubt Matthyse was really 163 in the ring. I bet he had clothes and a backpack on.

 

I am not going to complain or accuse of PEDS (I bet all fighters use PEDS btw, and they should legalize it already). But for Christs sake bring back same day weigh ins, this **** is getting old. Or do we need more Chavez Jr's?

 

Yeah, the difference between past fight night weights is just too much for it to be feasible. A 3 or 4lb gain would have been fine, but the jump is huge. No way is it true.