Where does Anthony Mundine rate all time among Australian boxers?

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    This got me to thinking:




    What are your informed opinions? :think
     
  2. swingin

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    not top ten. good fighter though. only ever 'just' world class at his peak. excelled himself last night obviously.

    pity is, his circus goes on. i sniff a rematch one daywith geale, that may prove to be a retirement fund for daniel when his career is ended. ggg may bring that closer.

    darcy
    sands
    fenech
    rose
    fammo
    tony mundine
    thompson
    richards
    harding
    Carruthers
    Darchinyan
    tszu
    Young Griffo
    Rocky Mattioli
    Barry Michael
    Vic Patrick

    all rate higher than mundine. quality of opposition must be taken into account, and how a fighter fared when pitted against the best.
     
  3. IntentionalButt

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    Strongly agree. :good

    Green & Geale are nice results on paper, but the latter is controversial. After that he's got Kim, Soliman x3, Echols, and I guess Thornberry as his next shiniest. Hardly the stuff of legend. That interim WBA title doesn't rate for me, nor does Rigo Alvarez himself.

    On the theme of performance weighed against quality opposition, I thought Kessler beat him by nearer the Dutch judge's shutout card than the other two. Very little to criticize about the Dane's performance; he really controlled The Man. Getting dropped by Siaca and put to sleep by Ottke in your relative prime doesn't earn high marks, either.

    Still, he did hang around a long time and remain in the rankings by hook or by crook. He beat a lot of so-so types comfortably enough and makes a case for himself just through longevity and having overachieved with a late start for boxing.
     
  4. IntentionalButt

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    Also, how did I overlook Harding? :patsch That is an obvious one.


    I must confess to not knowing **** all about Sands, Richards, Mattioli, Michael or Patrick...but I'll take your word for it.
     
  5. swingin

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    Sands, Richards, Mattioli were all stand out fighters from a stronger era. michael was a world champ. almost too old by the time he got his chance. great little fighter.

    patrick also fought in a stronger era, and won aus biggest ever local fight. beat tommy burns. vic stepped up to welter from lightweight to win it. burns was the favourite. vic kod him.
     
  6. IntentionalButt

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    I notice you didn't include Joe on your list, reckon he's below Mundine then?
     
  7. swingin

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    i dont consider bugner an aussie fighter. absolutely a great. but he had his real career out of the uk.

    geale i rate higher. forgot him...:yep green possibly. but mundine beat him.a case could be made for green regarding quality of opposition.

    troy waters, also was a goodun. on a level with mundine. a car accident gave him injuries that hobbled his career. shannon taylor is about even with choc imo.
     
  8. IntentionalButt

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    Ah, fair enough, I had thought he was originally from there...didn't realize it was merely his final destination.
     
  9. swingin

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    bulgarian via the UK i think.
     
  10. IntentionalButt

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    Taylor, eh? :think

    I suppose he did clean up at domestic level for a time, and was only the 3rd man of twenty to carry Arthur Abraham the distance. Got annihilated by prime Sugar Shane, not that it's any blight. Also lost h2h to Mundine, like Green.

    I want to say he lost to a few poorer types than Mundine did, but there is always Wood...

    KO1 Bramble is a terrific feat, too. At least on par with Mundine's best stoppage (Soliman II)
     
  11. JOSEY WALES

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    NO not Aussie top ten IMO , and he should consider himself lucky his country of birth was way down in Australia because if he was from the Northern Hemisphere he would have been getting KTFO on a regular basis if he had to have had fought either here in Europe or Stateside .
     
  12. JOSEY WALES

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    Hungarian actually Sal .
     
  13. Burt Shoogar

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    Guys like Katsidis , Green, Peden and Briggs are all ahead of the dog ****.
     
  14. IntentionalButt

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    Wow. :lol: Scathing.


    He is getting more votes of confidence up in the General Forum than down under!
     
  15. swingin

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    yeah. perhaps im not being kind enough to mundine. is just my opinion. (for what its worth).

    unlikeothers, im not impressed with him fighting so late in life. i know he was trained to be a fighter from birth. he hung around his old mans gym all his life, and was taught by tonys trainers etc to fight. he even had some am fights. so li dont get carried away with his raw potential, because he WASNT raw when he 'took up' boxing.

    so in his early career, i see mundine fighting old and retired fighters. which is fair enough to start. he then shows his balls in stepping up to fight the undefeated, if not brutal, sven ottke. mundine did fine. but got ko'd by a man not considered much of a puncher. so questions are there regarding his durability. something that must be also considered when judging a fighter. (then there was wood).

    then every time he stepped up he got beat. his best wins were green, thornberry, soliman and echols. 3 locals and a standard contender. rick thornberry was past his prime. had they fought at both age 26. i have thornberry taking it. rick won the first 4 rounds of their fight, when rick was past it.

    mundine struggles to make the top 20. doesnt make the top 15. but thats just my opinion.