Liston v Holyfield

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by lufcrazy, Jan 29, 2013.


  1. FlyingFrenchman

    FlyingFrenchman Active Member Full Member

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    Foreman was 41 when he fought Holyfield BTW!

    Liston sparred with Foreman very early in Foreman's career. Remember, Liston died in 1970 at the age of 40. He was 39 in his last fight. Foreman's pro debut was in June of 1969. Way too much is made of these sparring sessions.

    You're acting like Liston beat Foreman in a fight or something!
     
  2. Theron

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    Are you dumb your saying Liston only has a slight edge in power to Holyfield are you special or just beyond dumb?:patsch
    Cleveland Williams could hit harder than and faster hard combinations that Holyfield could.
    Really push around bigger men than Liston had to i dont remember him puhing around Foreman or anybody that could compare to a young Foreman...
    Liston had an 84 inch reach and would outjab Holyfield with ease
    Footwork isnt so one sided Liston had great footwork
    You seriously think Holyfield a blown up cruiser could get a ko/tko on Liston who had a great chin as he proved against Williams who i have to say again was a quick handed ko puncher with amazing combinations, Holys left hook cant compete with Williams speed or power in his left
     
  3. Theron

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    Yeah exacly Foreman was 41 when he fought Holy and fought at a slow pace throwing his punches very carefully
    Remember Liston sparred with a young Foreman that threw a jab or 2 and then went all out throwing every punch as a power punch i dont know about you but if Liston could deal with a young Foreman with more speed and in better shape throwing every punch as a punch that could knock you out and dealing with it, compared to an older more out of shape heavier slower Foreman who conserved his energy that fought Holyfield...
    I'd say id rather fight the Foreman that fought Holyfield
    If Holyfield fought the Foreman that Liston sparred with what do you see happening i dont see it going well for Holyfield, do you see Holyfield seriously standing up to him and being able to push Foreman around... And staying infront of him and being able to stick in there with him throwing those bombs i dont thinks so, i dont care how big Holyfields heart is his heart dosent affect how hard and how strong the others guy is
     
  4. ripcity

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    Liston's 6" reach advantage could make a big diffrance.
     
  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Holy is the bigger man here, no doubt.
     
  6. Manassa

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    Yeah, that's a whole six inches on the jab!

    Or perhaps they mean wingspan, broadness of back and both arms included...
     
  7. Manassa

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    I wonder what would bring you to this conclusion.

    I'd say they were of equal size. Both around 210lbs.
     
  8. Flea Man

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  9. lufcrazy

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    holy is taller and about the same weight.
     
  10. Manassa

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    Therefore he is taller as opposed to bigger :good
     
  11. lufcrazy

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    same way Williams was bigger than Quintana :good
     
  12. Manassa

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    Really?

    Holyfield muscled up to 210lbs+, Liston was already there.
     
  13. lufcrazy

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    Both trained to fight at that weight. Sure Holy used to cut for the cw division but that's just modern boxing for ya.

    Still, if anyone is to have a size advantage it's holy imo. Although it could be a flawed opinion because given a 12 round limit Liston might have put on more muscle comfortably.
     
  14. Manassa

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    If you put both on a desert island eating coconuts I think Liston's thicker frame would emerge.

    If you can find measurements I'm sure Liston's wrists and ankles (tell tale signs, as their size is little affected by muscle gain) were bigger.
     
  15. lufcrazy

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    Its always tough to compare sizes from different rule sets.

    Rounds fell by 25% and so were 33% longer than today but that doesn't mean those guys would be 33% heavier.

    Is there anyone who fought at he during both round limits as some sort of measuring stick to see how their weight altered?