Greatest Middleweight once and for all- Greb? Monzon? Hagler?

What utter bull****. You show me any post of mine where I've used the opposite standards on other fighters.

You show me a post where I've argued Jones's lhw greatness on the basis of a fight he had in the hw division, 20 pounds north if the limit.

You show me a post where I've argued walker a better welterweight based on his exploits at lhw.

You show me any post backing up the shite you've just chirped.

You trying to dismiss this as simple fan boy stuff is pathetic. I will repeat that p4p I have Greb in my top 3 fighters, Monzon and Hagler are nowhere near that level.

I have Greb in my top 3 lhw, Monzon and Hagler are nowhere that level. I'd post my notes on which fights I believe contribute to his lhw legacy but I can't be arsed due to your blinkered waffle that refuses to comprehend other criteria.

Perhaps I'll try that tact with you. Call you a fan boy for refusing to give Greb his due credit as a lhw. For flying in the face of standards you use on countless other fighters. Perhaps I'll say it's your way of defending guys like tunney and gibbons because they're seen as natural light heavyweight fighters.

where do you rate Greb as a lhw?

 

Using the same criteria, Ted Kid Lewis is one of the greatest lightweights in history based on resume. Who cares that he fought mostly at welterweight limit or even as a middleweight, he could make 135 if he had to, as he had done multiple times, reducing or taking on a dozen pounds between fights on a regular basis.

 

Unless you dismissed any fights where one of the fighters was an ounce north of the middleweight limit, Harry Geb’s middleweight resume would be as untouchable for Haglerzon as his light heavyweight resume.

 

Except for the fact that Ted Kid was not a career lightweight and didnt identify himself as such.

But lets look at that. Ted Kid Lewis fought a lot of middleweights and light heavyweights. Do we ever call him a middleweight or a light heavyweight? No. Do we rank him at those weights? No. We say "wow this welterweight was able able to compete with the big boys. That says a lot about his ability."

 

I disagree. I too think his win list at lhw is clearly better than that at mw.

 

How many people could boast a better list of middleweights than this:

Mickey Walker
Jeff Smith
George Chip
Mike O'Dowd
Jack Dillon
Tiger Flowers
Mike Gibbons
Johny Wilson
Edie McGoorty
Al McCoy

 

You misread my post.

I said I think he has a better lhw resume than he does at mw.

 

Perhaps his trure talent lay at 168lbs.

Then as in recent years, that would have been where a lot of the talent fell.

 

Well that was in the LHW division back then.

 

To not give due honors to a Harry Greb who beats the top middleweights of his era and the top lightheavyweights, is akin to saying that a thorougbred race horse who beats
the best horses in his weghtclass,then challenges and BEATS horses who carry 10 pounds or less weights on their backs, would not be considered superior to horses that
never challenge other horses with less weight ? That is how betting odds are established
and on this basis Greb had more in the tank than any middleweight ever...

 

Burt, you do a great disservice in denying Greb his well earned plaudits as a great light heavyweight.

 

luf, this thread is "greatest middleweight" and that is the thread I address...One subject at a time...Cheers...

 

But those boys were not considered as being a part of the LHW division (nor was Greb), despite some of them being a few pounds over the MW limit. They were middleweights.

Mickey Walker
Jeff Smith
George Chip
Mike O'Dowd
Jack Dillon
Tiger Flowers
Mike Gibbons
Johnny Wilson
Eddie McGoorty
Al McCoy
Bryan Downey
Allentown Joe Gans
Gus Christie
Bob Moha
Augie Ratner
Silent Martin
Leo Houck

 

There are a few names there that could justify a top 20 all time middleweight ranking, and some could justify a top 10 slot.