Shouldn't Gene Tunney be rated higher pound-for-pound?

I think this about sums it up for me, put damn near anyones record under the microscope and you're bound to find things you don't like but at the end of the day Tunney beat all there was to beat across 3 different weight classes and for that he ranks def. in the top 30 perhaps top 20 if i sat down and could work out a list. I also think he is the most impressive fighter on film from Johnson all the way up until Louis, and especially for his own era looks leagues more skilled than any opponent he faced.

 

I said try reading, not writing.

Now go back and see where you made your mistake.

 

Problem?

 

The "And then, in no order:" I suppose.

I see no point explaining where there is a problem with #15, or, better yet, #22 because "I think that was too much", as it should be pretty obvious.

 

You do realise most people don't even consider McFarland?

#22 was a rough estimate at the time and you surely see that when I counted the names there were less than twenty two anyway. Feel free to share your top twenty one.

 

Tunney beat Greb 3 times, not twice. One fight was a draw, Greb won the first.

 

Cheers for pointing that out :good

 

A 21 year old version. He also went 1-4 against Charles respectively, hardly the same as Burley's dominance against Moore. Didn't Moore say Burley was the hardest man he fought? I know testimony alone can't get you into a top 20 seeding but he's got to be somewhat close. Nothing wrong with him not making it, but let's not put him on the same field as Bivins who obviously doesn't make a top 20 P4P list let alone a top 20 LHW list (Well he probably would that).

Not offended, fair enough. I realize Burley's record doesn't merit his placement at times. A lot of it is do to him being viewed as the best of an avoided crew (Although clearly that wasn't even conclusive).

 

In their five fights Tunney had an average weight advantage of 8.65lbs.

Tunney was twelve pounds heavier than Jeff Smith,and ten pounds heavier than Loughran.

I think Tunneys resume is a bit thin for an ATG p4p .
Two wins over a faded Dempsey ,one of which almost ended disastrously . One over an on the slide middle weight ,Smith.

One over an end of the line Carpentier.
One over a 34 years old Gibbons, having his last fight.

A draw with a nineteen years old Loughran who was conceding 10lbs.
Just my take.

 

I rate him highly, generally....inside a top 25 at least.

 

I've done all the reading on Tunney and Gans that one can do. I've made and laid out my arguments clearly. Time for you to start addressing the points I made. Or continue to avoid them and hide behind a dismissive demeanor (your usual tactic). Your call.

 

This exactly.

It doesn't take much close examination to see the BIG difference between Tunney's resume and the other ATGs. All you need to do is put it next to those of his contemporaries.

 

I hope we can both agree that Burley did great against Moore, who was by then formidable himself, but also that Moore was a different beast in the late '40s and early '50s.

Bivins was an example. Schmeling beat Louis. Morrow beat Moore. That my #40 (or about there, is where I'd put Burley) beat my #7 at some point doesn't matter at all.